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> But they are nowhere near as prevalent as otherwise reputable publications claim. So the CDC is just junk science? Nearly One in Five American Adults Who Ha

by nope96 4y ago

> But they are nowhere near as prevalent as otherwise reputable publications claim. So the CDC is just junk science? Nearly One in Five American Adults Who Have Had COVID-19 Still Have “Long COVID” https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220622.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/...

MontyCarloHall 4y ago
> So the CDC is just junk science? This particular study certainly is. The Pulse Survey cited was not a rigorous longitudinal case/control study, but rather a voluntary online poll with a dismal response rate of only 4-6% [0]. This could easily result in selection bias: people suffering from (or who just believe they’re suffering from) long COVID are much more likely to respond than healthy people. Indeed, the CDC admits that it only attempted to adjust for nonresponse bias based on geographical area [1], and not anything related to actually having (long) COVID. The results of this study are totally meaningless at best, and disinformation at worst. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/pulse/long-covid.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/pulse/long-covid.htm [1] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/technical-documentation/hhp/2020_HPS_NR_Bias_Report-final.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/technical-docu...
timr 4y ago
The CDC has routinely published junk science concerning Covid, yes. Is it all junk science? No. But they've proven themselves to be willing to advance "science" that is little more than propaganda. Here's just one example so egregious that even the Atlantic had to call them out on it: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/12/mask-guidelines-cdc-walensky/621035/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/12/mask-gui... There have been a few others this year, alone. Here's one on long covid in kids that was abysmal: https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/another-bad-cdc-study-on-long-covid https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/another-bad-cdc-stud... The study you've cited as also terrible, but the other commenter on this subthread tackles it, so I won't bother.
- throwoutway 4y ago
  I was recently listening to NPR and even they were calling out the CDC and others for mistakes and the effects on kids. They did balance the criticism with the relevant unknowns at the time, but still
upsidesinclude 4y ago
Isn't it commonly known at this point the CDC is just a tool of the political/pharmaceutical system? I'm not being facetious at all. I thought everyone was made aware of what seems to be the case
bart_spoon 4y ago
The CDC has destroyed their credibility over the course of the pandemic, yes.

by nope96 4y ago

MontyCarloHall 4y ago

> So the CDC is just junk science? This particular study certainly is. The Pulse Survey cited was not a rigorous longitudinal case/control study, but rather a voluntary online poll with a dismal response rate of only 4-6% [0]. This could easily result in selection bias: people suffering from (or who just believe they’re suffering from) long COVID are much more likely to respond than healthy people. Indeed, the CDC admits that it only attempted to adjust for nonresponse bias based on geographical area [1], and not anything related to actually having (long) COVID. The results of this study are totally meaningless at best, and disinformation at worst. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/pulse/long-covid.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/pulse/long-covid.htm [1] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/technical-documentation/hhp/2020_HPS_NR_Bias_Report-final.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/technical-docu...

timr 4y ago

The CDC has routinely published junk science concerning Covid, yes. Is it all junk science? No. But they've proven themselves to be willing to advance "science" that is little more than propaganda. Here's just one example so egregious that even the Atlantic had to call them out on it: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/12/mask-guidelines-cdc-walensky/621035/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/12/mask-gui... There have been a few others this year, alone. Here's one on long covid in kids that was abysmal: https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/another-bad-cdc-study-on-long-covid https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/another-bad-cdc-stud... The study you've cited as also terrible, but the other commenter on this subthread tackles it, so I won't bother.

throwoutway 4y ago
I was recently listening to NPR and even they were calling out the CDC and others for mistakes and the effects on kids. They did balance the criticism with the relevant unknowns at the time, but still

upsidesinclude 4y ago

Isn't it commonly known at this point the CDC is just a tool of the political/pharmaceutical system? I'm not being facetious at all. I thought everyone was made aware of what seems to be the case

bart_spoon 4y ago

The CDC has destroyed their credibility over the course of the pandemic, yes.