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Does the order force blocking of the IP bound to a DNS address? Could piracy sites change DNS A records to arbitrary IP addresses to deny service to other sites

Does the order force blocking of the IP bound to a DNS address? Could piracy sites change DNS A records to arbitrary IP addresses to deny service to other sites?

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
Unclear. I was unable to find the court order so I’m not sure where it’s coming from.
- riedel 4y ago
  Seems that they just wanted to block some piracy sites like newalbumreleases.net if you compare the dates and check the IPs behind those domains. Wonder however if this actually enforced because I think there is no IP block and no reports from Austria about collateral damage (or am I wrong and Austria cannot complain because they are cut of from the internet) Edit: btw, the domains added with date August 29 are already blocked in Germany and some other EU countries for a while: https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-sperre/newalbumreleasesnet-net-dns-sperre-infos-details https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-sperre/newalbumreleasesne... .
  - riedel 4y ago
    The strange thing is that this order is still not published (and has a date of tomorrow): https://www.rtr.at/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtseite.de.html?l=de&q=&t=field%3DTKK%3Bcategory%3Drechtsaufsicht https://www.rtr.at/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtse...
  - jonasdoesthings 4y ago
    > I think there is no IP block and no reports from Austria about collateral damage There is definitely a good amount of collateral damage, not all ISPs rolled out the block already, but some did. I myself noticed a lot of sites stopped working or fail to load scripts/external resources. On reddit r/austria there are also multiple complaints. Most normal users probably just suspect their router/pc acting up. It took me a day too to get to the gist of this issue with sites not loading without tor.
    - riedel 4y ago
      Wow. Interesting. It seems that they finally became aware of the issue and corrected the block list linked in the OP. Only media backlash and a shitstorm actually was able to correct this and it is unclear if all providers fixed this. Everyone is now blaming high court decision, local government and the EU. Wonder if anything will change. Here is the verified story :https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000138619757/ueberzogene-netzsperre-sorgt-fuer-probleme-im-oesterreichischen-internet https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000138619757/ueberzogene-n...
luckylion 4y ago
I'd be somewhat surprised if a court ordered something vague like "block whatever IP that resolves to at any time in the future", they'll either say "block these IPs" or "stop resolving this domain", anything else would require constant monitoring and continuous involvement of the target of the order.
- hakre 4y ago
  But wait, isn't Cloudflare exactly offering that as a service?
- codedokode 4y ago
  If the court orders to "block whatever IP this domain resolves into" then you can have much fun by pointing domain to government and bank websites. Some people played this kind of game with Internet censorship in Russia.
twelvedogs 4y ago
In the past the court hasn't specified how to block sites so they're usually blocked at dns level, just point the DNS record at one of the isp's ip addresses with a block message If they really are having to block actual ips I would be surprised

Does the order force blocking of the IP bound to a DNS address? Could piracy sites change DNS A records to arbitrary IP addresses to deny service to other sites?

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago

Unclear. I was unable to find the court order so I’m not sure where it’s coming from.

riedel 4y ago
Seems that they just wanted to block some piracy sites like newalbumreleases.net if you compare the dates and check the IPs behind those domains. Wonder however if this actually enforced because I think there is no IP block and no reports from Austria about collateral damage (or am I wrong and Austria cannot complain because they are cut of from the internet) Edit: btw, the domains added with date August 29 are already blocked in Germany and some other EU countries for a while: https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-sperre/newalbumreleasesnet-net-dns-sperre-infos-details https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-sperre/newalbumreleasesne... .
- riedel 4y ago
  The strange thing is that this order is still not published (and has a date of tomorrow): https://www.rtr.at/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtseite.de.html?l=de&q=&t=field%3DTKK%3Bcategory%3Drechtsaufsicht https://www.rtr.at/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtse...
- jonasdoesthings 4y ago
  > I think there is no IP block and no reports from Austria about collateral damage There is definitely a good amount of collateral damage, not all ISPs rolled out the block already, but some did. I myself noticed a lot of sites stopped working or fail to load scripts/external resources. On reddit r/austria there are also multiple complaints. Most normal users probably just suspect their router/pc acting up. It took me a day too to get to the gist of this issue with sites not loading without tor.
  - riedel 4y ago
    Wow. Interesting. It seems that they finally became aware of the issue and corrected the block list linked in the OP. Only media backlash and a shitstorm actually was able to correct this and it is unclear if all providers fixed this. Everyone is now blaming high court decision, local government and the EU. Wonder if anything will change. Here is the verified story :https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000138619757/ueberzogene-netzsperre-sorgt-fuer-probleme-im-oesterreichischen-internet https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000138619757/ueberzogene-n...

luckylion 4y ago

I'd be somewhat surprised if a court ordered something vague like "block whatever IP that resolves to at any time in the future", they'll either say "block these IPs" or "stop resolving this domain", anything else would require constant monitoring and continuous involvement of the target of the order.

hakre 4y ago
But wait, isn't Cloudflare exactly offering that as a service?
codedokode 4y ago
If the court orders to "block whatever IP this domain resolves into" then you can have much fun by pointing domain to government and bank websites. Some people played this kind of game with Internet censorship in Russia.

twelvedogs 4y ago

In the past the court hasn't specified how to block sites so they're usually blocked at dns level, just point the DNS record at one of the isp's ip addresses with a block message If they really are having to block actual ips I would be surprised