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Maybe ask yourself why people chose to use Electron. The cross platform alternatives (Tauri[1] pops to mind) generally offer a more complex development experien

by tfsh 4y ago

Maybe ask yourself why people chose to use Electron. The cross platform alternatives (Tauri[1] pops to mind) generally offer a more complex development experience. As long as web languages remain the lowest entrypoint they will remain the dominent force, even if they're less performant. 1: https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri

NayamAmarshe 4y ago
You're absolutely right. I tried building Upscayl with Tauri initially, but after a few days I had to give up because I was trading my time for bundle size. Then I tried Neutralino only to discover that it does not support node runtime. With Electron, we were able to focus on the core features and ship Upscayl very fast. Since electron is also the only framework that supports node modules, it was pretty much the best low-resistance path for us at the moment. I do wanna learn Rust eventually but that is an adventure for another day :)
- beefjerkins 4y ago
  As someone venturing in Tauri as primarily a web dev, I can relate to this so much. Rust is great and Tauri has some stellar benefits, but until you really master the borrow mechanics, it slows you down so much.
- jeff_carr 4y ago
  You deserve credit for this tool. I used it on a 35mm slide taken in 1982 that was scanned using a Nikon SUPER COOLSCAN 9000 ED. The original image was around 4000x3000 pixels. I ran it through and resized it back down and it's impressively better. The binary at 160MB ran flawlessly on a HP Dev One laptop with Debian sid and processed the image in about 10 minutes. The difference is remarkable. You have done a brilliant job of getting a simple front end on top of a huge pile of complicated under the hood by doing the smart thing: using your time efficiently so you can focus on the hard parts of the puzzle.
- campbellmorgan 4y ago
  If Rust is too much of an adventure, maybe you'll find Go easier. Wails [1] is great if perhaps a bit more rough round the edges. Because it's go, package sizes are 10mb+ but nothing like Electron 30mb+ 1. https://github.com/wailsapp/wails https://github.com/wailsapp/wails
lapinot 4y ago
?? how is tauri a response to electron criticism? Imho the main criticism of electron is a criticism of using a webview for a desktop application where you could've used something far more simple. An alternative which would make electron critics be happy would be more like imgui or bindings to plateform native ui toolkits, but definitely not some other html ui framework.
- tfsh 4y ago
  Oh you're right. I was thinking Tauri was a cross-platform native UI kit. Imgui seems interesting but given it requires C++ knowledge that introduces all sorts of lifecycle issues regarding memory safety, etc, which makes it even more intimidating to newer SWEs.
  - notpushkin 4y ago
    ImGui does have a bunch of wrappers in different languages. [1] That said, native-ish interface would feel better IMO. I always appreciate applications that “feel native”. Qt and Python's Toga [2] are a couple libraries that pop up in my mind. [1]: https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/wiki/Bindings https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/wiki/Bindings [2]: https://beeware.org/project/projects/libraries/toga/ https://beeware.org/project/projects/libraries/toga/

by tfsh 4y ago

NayamAmarshe 4y ago

You're absolutely right. I tried building Upscayl with Tauri initially, but after a few days I had to give up because I was trading my time for bundle size. Then I tried Neutralino only to discover that it does not support node runtime. With Electron, we were able to focus on the core features and ship Upscayl very fast. Since electron is also the only framework that supports node modules, it was pretty much the best low-resistance path for us at the moment. I do wanna learn Rust eventually but that is an adventure for another day :)

beefjerkins 4y ago
As someone venturing in Tauri as primarily a web dev, I can relate to this so much. Rust is great and Tauri has some stellar benefits, but until you really master the borrow mechanics, it slows you down so much.
jeff_carr 4y ago
You deserve credit for this tool. I used it on a 35mm slide taken in 1982 that was scanned using a Nikon SUPER COOLSCAN 9000 ED. The original image was around 4000x3000 pixels. I ran it through and resized it back down and it's impressively better. The binary at 160MB ran flawlessly on a HP Dev One laptop with Debian sid and processed the image in about 10 minutes. The difference is remarkable. You have done a brilliant job of getting a simple front end on top of a huge pile of complicated under the hood by doing the smart thing: using your time efficiently so you can focus on the hard parts of the puzzle.
campbellmorgan 4y ago
If Rust is too much of an adventure, maybe you'll find Go easier. Wails [1] is great if perhaps a bit more rough round the edges. Because it's go, package sizes are 10mb+ but nothing like Electron 30mb+ 1. https://github.com/wailsapp/wails https://github.com/wailsapp/wails

lapinot 4y ago

?? how is tauri a response to electron criticism? Imho the main criticism of electron is a criticism of using a webview for a desktop application where you could've used something far more simple. An alternative which would make electron critics be happy would be more like imgui or bindings to plateform native ui toolkits, but definitely not some other html ui framework.

tfsh 4y ago
Oh you're right. I was thinking Tauri was a cross-platform native UI kit. Imgui seems interesting but given it requires C++ knowledge that introduces all sorts of lifecycle issues regarding memory safety, etc, which makes it even more intimidating to newer SWEs.
- notpushkin 4y ago
  ImGui does have a bunch of wrappers in different languages. [1] That said, native-ish interface would feel better IMO. I always appreciate applications that “feel native”. Qt and Python's Toga [2] are a couple libraries that pop up in my mind. [1]: https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/wiki/Bindings https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/wiki/Bindings [2]: https://beeware.org/project/projects/libraries/toga/ https://beeware.org/project/projects/libraries/toga/