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I was sick with covid for around five days 2 months ago. I had high fever, tiredness, pain on my body and coughing. After I felt better I observed that I was f

I was sick with covid for around five days 2 months ago. I had high fever, tiredness, pain on my body and coughing. After I felt better I observed that I was feeling much more tired than I usually felt. Now, after two months I feel a little better but not that much... Could this be related to my covid infection? Is there a way to improve my situation? I did a normal check up but didn't get anything abnormal...

desperadovisa 4y ago
- _yb2s 4y ago
  This is not true at all. Long covid, chronic fatigue, etc. are currently not understood, and have no known mechanisms or tests. There is nothing for doctors to identify as 'wrong' besides the subjective feeling of fatigue. This is not a matter of doctors making mistakes or not, this simply is beyond the limits of our current medical understanding. It definately sounds like the parent is suffering from long covid.
  - kaczordon 4y ago
    Or people could just be depressed/were not working out. All this talk in the news of long covid probably causes psychosomatic symptoms.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      I agreed with that. Social connections were significantly destroyed last year's. Overall fear agenda in news will not helps with mental helth either. Also vaccines harm with uknown effects.
    - clcaev 4y ago
      As a society, those who are able bodied are often so quick to dismiss illness that others are experiencing. A bit more humility would be a kinder way to approach the world. Just because there may be a few that abuse charity, does not negate the many more that are deserving.
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    There are a lot of known disease mechanisms and tests. Just not known to most doctors who don’t keep up with the latest research, or even research in the last few decades. Also as it’s cross disciplinary it often gets placed in the too hard basket and passed on to some other specialty.
  - desperadovisa 4y ago
    > There is nothing for doctors to identify as 'wrong' besides the subjective feeling of fatigue. Wrong [0]. Yes, it's complex, but doctors also know how to read, and they're honestly better at it (when it comes to medical texts) than you are. Honestly it's just stupid how many people insist on self diagnosing long COVID. "Beyond the limits of our current medical understanding" is, unfortunately, idiocy. It's the exact same logic anti-vaxxers would use to refuse the vaccine. You're making the exact same mistake. In general, you do not know more than your doctor. Stop pretending like you do. EVERYONE, both sides, just fucking stop. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/...
    - pezo1919 4y ago
      If you are researching your chronic illness and contacting many docs you are going to know more from many docs who are experts in the topic then a random doctor who is only following orders and is going to have minimal information 2 years later when knowledge pushed itself through all bureaucracy. Why? Because more doctors who are focusing on the topic weigh more than a random doctor who has no clue.
      - desperadovisa 4y ago
        I don't think you're really appreciating how similar your argument is to that of an anti-vaxxer.
    - spfzero 4y ago
      Not knowing more than your doctor is not the same as your doctor knowing everything. There are so many examples of diseases which are not currently completely understood, after decades of study. It's surprising that you think that's not true.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  Nothing is wrong based on given measurements taken, their limits these days, skill set of doctor evaluating them and so on. If your lung capacity or strength of some particular heart muscle degraded by 7.3% and your veins became 2.3% more susceptible to popping nobody will find it out. My wife is a doctor, worked on emergencies too, and the amount of "we have no clue what is wrong with him" cases is staggering. Sure they can more or less treat symptoms but often that's it. People often make a mistake (I used to make it too) and take medicine/healthcare as some rigid science keen to astronomy or mathematics where numbers don't lie and you always know where you are and why. Couldn't be further from truth these days. Just a random sample from me personally - had broken my foot this June, and had plaster for a month. Have taken anti-coagulant medicine during it. Stopped when plaster went away as per doctor, within few days I've developed an ache in middle of calf, it was unlike any tiredness I had ever experienced there. But that fixation made my leg stiff like wooden plank, so I thought its just super tiredness of muscles when attempting to walk again. Wife mentioned that maaaaaybe it could be thrombosis, who knows. Went to hospital, they did blood tests which young doctor concluded were below threshold so I should stop taking medicine immediately and all is a-ok. Well, luckily I also went to venereologist who did ultrasound and voila - trombosis like hell there. I could have died anytime during this, when it gets to lungs its rather quick process, brain is no fun neither. All this in biggest hospital in Switzerland. Generally trust doctors and science. Don't trust them blindly. I guess most folks have some stories like this, albeit I hope with less risks.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Wow that was a close call, happy to see that got resolved and very scary that it almost wasn't picked up.
- clcaev 4y ago
  Doctors all too often think that if you are experiencing something that their measurements don't validate ... that you are not sick. In my experience [6 weeks hospitalization; now chronic rare disease] it's that the doctors simply lack the knowledge, techniques, and instruments to identify the problem. Rare diseases are an interesting thing. Individually, each rare disease is challenging to study, and hence poorly understood, hard to diagnose, etc. However, with thousands to choose from, getting a rare disease isn't all that rare. However, getting good care while having one might very well be.
leetrout 4y ago
My doc said i was fine too after having covid twice in 9 weeks. I am still getting winded easily and while i was already out of shape i notice after riding a bike or being active for a full day i still feel bad the following day
saila 4y ago
Additional anecdata: This is similar to what happened to me. I got covid earlier this year and had it bad for a week, had stuffiness and a possible sinus infection for a few weeks, and was tired all the time for a few weeks after that. The coughing lingered for a while too. Eventually I got back to normal just waiting it out (disclaimer: this is not a recommendation).
- spapas82 4y ago
  Glad you are better! How much time did it take to improve? I have heard of people that were feeling worse for months after their infection ...
zdragnar 4y ago
My brother's heart and lung health suffered extensively after his second bout with COVID. O2 uptake is somewhat diminished, and resting heart rate is still very high. Walking up two flights of stairs requires a 5 to 10 minute sit down as he is completely winded by the time he gets to the top. If any of that sounds familiar, you may want to get some more extensive tests done. I don't know what will come of it, pretty much the only thing that has helped my brother so far is a regular low dose of Benadryl. There's a bit of edgy research or internet driven anecdata (not sure which) that led him to try it, but it is better than nothing, at least.
- mynameishere 4y ago
  regular low dose of Benadryl That supposedly can cause dementia. Just FYI.
- spapas82 4y ago
  My symptoms are definitely not that significant. My O2 is > 98% (and never fell below even when I had the covid) and I can easily ascend stairs. I only feel that I am more tired than before the covid.
pfisherman 4y ago
Another anecdote. I also experienced a long tail of symptoms - randomly getting tired, cough inability to write coherent paragraphs after getting COVID. I found that exercising - starting with 10 min yoga / stretching and then slowly ramping up over 1-2 weeks - got me back to normal.
- ohCh6zos 4y ago
  My experience is very similar to yours. COVID let me feeling very negative but build up to doing a good deal of cardio every day seem to have fixed it.
- programmarchy 4y ago
  Funny, had the same happen to me. Thought maybe it was a coincidence, but getting back into my cardio routine eliminated the lingering fatigue I had after Covid, too.
- spapas82 4y ago
  Thank you for the info and I'm glad that it gets better for you. I had stopped going to the gym because I wanted to rest and because of summer but I will definitely start it again (mainly low impact resistance training) in the following days and see how it works for me!
AnthonBerg 4y ago
I am sorry that you have been burdened with this. Fatigue is indeed a known long-term symptom which is not uncommon after the “acute phase”. In a tweet, here’s the start of a trail of very good information from solid research into these conditions: https://twitter.com/putrinolab/status/1557403364941496320 https://twitter.com/putrinolab/status/1557403364941496320
- spapas82 4y ago
  Very interesting info, thank you. It's nice to know that there's a measurable way to know if you've got long covid!
LiminalFrame 4y ago
Some avenues to consider/investigate (consult with your doctor before trying any treatment, but expect to hear "there's no reason to believe that will work" in many cases): FLCCC I-RECOVER protocol: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-long-covid-treatment/ https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover... "Could tiny blood clots cause Long COVID's puzzling symptoms?" (article reports some people have had success with anti-coagulant therapies, but be especially careful with those): https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02286-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02286-7 Theory of Long COVID as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (from one of the physicians who pioneered use of fluvoxamine in treatment): https://twitter.com/farid__jalali/status/1315060197988036608 https://twitter.com/farid__jalali/status/1315060197988036608 From personal anecdata, I took a PQQ/CoQ10/NAC combo supplement recommended by the local supplements store after both of my two infections, and have never had any long-term symptoms. NAC in particular seems to show up often in the various recovery protocols that are floating around.
- spapas82 4y ago
  Thank you very much for the information, I will research it more and try the supplements
- swader999 4y ago
  This protocol is what solved it for me.
- pezo1919 4y ago
  This is a nice summary. Also add, that breaking microclots is the main goal not necessarily with anti-coagulants, they are similar but not the same. Anti fibrinogens are more useful in that post covid phase and it has been shown that live virus DOES live in those microclots so that's why antivirals (eg lysine, shown to bind to spike protein and also wide spectrum antiviral) to be used together with them. Check out dr Gustavo Aguirre's work, he was months early every time. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344325326_COVID-19_THERAPEUTIC_TEST_FOR_PATIENTS_WITH_PERSISTENT_SYMPTOMS_OR_POST-ACUTE_For_Long_COVID_Sub-Acute_and_Chronic_COVID_Long_hauler_Post-COVID_Syndrome_Post-Acute_Sequelae_or_Persistent_COVID https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344325326_COVID-19_...

desperadovisa 4y ago

_yb2s 4y ago
This is not true at all. Long covid, chronic fatigue, etc. are currently not understood, and have no known mechanisms or tests. There is nothing for doctors to identify as 'wrong' besides the subjective feeling of fatigue. This is not a matter of doctors making mistakes or not, this simply is beyond the limits of our current medical understanding. It definately sounds like the parent is suffering from long covid.
- kaczordon 4y ago
  Or people could just be depressed/were not working out. All this talk in the news of long covid probably causes psychosomatic symptoms.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    I agreed with that. Social connections were significantly destroyed last year's. Overall fear agenda in news will not helps with mental helth either. Also vaccines harm with uknown effects.
  - clcaev 4y ago
    As a society, those who are able bodied are often so quick to dismiss illness that others are experiencing. A bit more humility would be a kinder way to approach the world. Just because there may be a few that abuse charity, does not negate the many more that are deserving.
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  There are a lot of known disease mechanisms and tests. Just not known to most doctors who don’t keep up with the latest research, or even research in the last few decades. Also as it’s cross disciplinary it often gets placed in the too hard basket and passed on to some other specialty.
- desperadovisa 4y ago
  > There is nothing for doctors to identify as 'wrong' besides the subjective feeling of fatigue. Wrong [0]. Yes, it's complex, but doctors also know how to read, and they're honestly better at it (when it comes to medical texts) than you are. Honestly it's just stupid how many people insist on self diagnosing long COVID. "Beyond the limits of our current medical understanding" is, unfortunately, idiocy. It's the exact same logic anti-vaxxers would use to refuse the vaccine. You're making the exact same mistake. In general, you do not know more than your doctor. Stop pretending like you do. EVERYONE, both sides, just fucking stop. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/...
  - pezo1919 4y ago
    If you are researching your chronic illness and contacting many docs you are going to know more from many docs who are experts in the topic then a random doctor who is only following orders and is going to have minimal information 2 years later when knowledge pushed itself through all bureaucracy. Why? Because more doctors who are focusing on the topic weigh more than a random doctor who has no clue.
    - desperadovisa 4y ago
      I don't think you're really appreciating how similar your argument is to that of an anti-vaxxer.
  - spfzero 4y ago
    Not knowing more than your doctor is not the same as your doctor knowing everything. There are so many examples of diseases which are not currently completely understood, after decades of study. It's surprising that you think that's not true.
saiya-jin 4y ago
Nothing is wrong based on given measurements taken, their limits these days, skill set of doctor evaluating them and so on. If your lung capacity or strength of some particular heart muscle degraded by 7.3% and your veins became 2.3% more susceptible to popping nobody will find it out. My wife is a doctor, worked on emergencies too, and the amount of "we have no clue what is wrong with him" cases is staggering. Sure they can more or less treat symptoms but often that's it. People often make a mistake (I used to make it too) and take medicine/healthcare as some rigid science keen to astronomy or mathematics where numbers don't lie and you always know where you are and why. Couldn't be further from truth these days. Just a random sample from me personally - had broken my foot this June, and had plaster for a month. Have taken anti-coagulant medicine during it. Stopped when plaster went away as per doctor, within few days I've developed an ache in middle of calf, it was unlike any tiredness I had ever experienced there. But that fixation made my leg stiff like wooden plank, so I thought its just super tiredness of muscles when attempting to walk again. Wife mentioned that maaaaaybe it could be thrombosis, who knows. Went to hospital, they did blood tests which young doctor concluded were below threshold so I should stop taking medicine immediately and all is a-ok. Well, luckily I also went to venereologist who did ultrasound and voila - trombosis like hell there. I could have died anytime during this, when it gets to lungs its rather quick process, brain is no fun neither. All this in biggest hospital in Switzerland. Generally trust doctors and science. Don't trust them blindly. I guess most folks have some stories like this, albeit I hope with less risks.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Wow that was a close call, happy to see that got resolved and very scary that it almost wasn't picked up.
clcaev 4y ago
Doctors all too often think that if you are experiencing something that their measurements don't validate ... that you are not sick. In my experience [6 weeks hospitalization; now chronic rare disease] it's that the doctors simply lack the knowledge, techniques, and instruments to identify the problem. Rare diseases are an interesting thing. Individually, each rare disease is challenging to study, and hence poorly understood, hard to diagnose, etc. However, with thousands to choose from, getting a rare disease isn't all that rare. However, getting good care while having one might very well be.

leetrout 4y ago

My doc said i was fine too after having covid twice in 9 weeks. I am still getting winded easily and while i was already out of shape i notice after riding a bike or being active for a full day i still feel bad the following day

saila 4y ago

Additional anecdata: This is similar to what happened to me. I got covid earlier this year and had it bad for a week, had stuffiness and a possible sinus infection for a few weeks, and was tired all the time for a few weeks after that. The coughing lingered for a while too. Eventually I got back to normal just waiting it out (disclaimer: this is not a recommendation).

spapas82 4y ago
Glad you are better! How much time did it take to improve? I have heard of people that were feeling worse for months after their infection ...

zdragnar 4y ago

My brother's heart and lung health suffered extensively after his second bout with COVID. O2 uptake is somewhat diminished, and resting heart rate is still very high. Walking up two flights of stairs requires a 5 to 10 minute sit down as he is completely winded by the time he gets to the top. If any of that sounds familiar, you may want to get some more extensive tests done. I don't know what will come of it, pretty much the only thing that has helped my brother so far is a regular low dose of Benadryl. There's a bit of edgy research or internet driven anecdata (not sure which) that led him to try it, but it is better than nothing, at least.

mynameishere 4y ago
regular low dose of Benadryl That supposedly can cause dementia. Just FYI.
spapas82 4y ago
My symptoms are definitely not that significant. My O2 is > 98% (and never fell below even when I had the covid) and I can easily ascend stairs. I only feel that I am more tired than before the covid.

pfisherman 4y ago

Another anecdote. I also experienced a long tail of symptoms - randomly getting tired, cough inability to write coherent paragraphs after getting COVID. I found that exercising - starting with 10 min yoga / stretching and then slowly ramping up over 1-2 weeks - got me back to normal.

ohCh6zos 4y ago
My experience is very similar to yours. COVID let me feeling very negative but build up to doing a good deal of cardio every day seem to have fixed it.
programmarchy 4y ago
Funny, had the same happen to me. Thought maybe it was a coincidence, but getting back into my cardio routine eliminated the lingering fatigue I had after Covid, too.
spapas82 4y ago
Thank you for the info and I'm glad that it gets better for you. I had stopped going to the gym because I wanted to rest and because of summer but I will definitely start it again (mainly low impact resistance training) in the following days and see how it works for me!

AnthonBerg 4y ago

I am sorry that you have been burdened with this. Fatigue is indeed a known long-term symptom which is not uncommon after the “acute phase”. In a tweet, here’s the start of a trail of very good information from solid research into these conditions: https://twitter.com/putrinolab/status/1557403364941496320 https://twitter.com/putrinolab/status/1557403364941496320

spapas82 4y ago
Very interesting info, thank you. It's nice to know that there's a measurable way to know if you've got long covid!

LiminalFrame 4y ago

Some avenues to consider/investigate (consult with your doctor before trying any treatment, but expect to hear "there's no reason to believe that will work" in many cases): FLCCC I-RECOVER protocol: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-long-covid-treatment/ https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover... "Could tiny blood clots cause Long COVID's puzzling symptoms?" (article reports some people have had success with anti-coagulant therapies, but be especially careful with those): https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02286-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02286-7 Theory of Long COVID as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (from one of the physicians who pioneered use of fluvoxamine in treatment): https://twitter.com/farid__jalali/status/1315060197988036608 https://twitter.com/farid__jalali/status/1315060197988036608 From personal anecdata, I took a PQQ/CoQ10/NAC combo supplement recommended by the local supplements store after both of my two infections, and have never had any long-term symptoms. NAC in particular seems to show up often in the various recovery protocols that are floating around.

spapas82 4y ago
Thank you very much for the information, I will research it more and try the supplements
swader999 4y ago
This protocol is what solved it for me.
pezo1919 4y ago
This is a nice summary. Also add, that breaking microclots is the main goal not necessarily with anti-coagulants, they are similar but not the same. Anti fibrinogens are more useful in that post covid phase and it has been shown that live virus DOES live in those microclots so that's why antivirals (eg lysine, shown to bind to spike protein and also wide spectrum antiviral) to be used together with them. Check out dr Gustavo Aguirre's work, he was months early every time. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344325326_COVID-19_THERAPEUTIC_TEST_FOR_PATIENTS_WITH_PERSISTENT_SYMPTOMS_OR_POST-ACUTE_For_Long_COVID_Sub-Acute_and_Chronic_COVID_Long_hauler_Post-COVID_Syndrome_Post-Acute_Sequelae_or_Persistent_COVID https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344325326_COVID-19_...