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Even if the creator exists outside their creation under different laws of physics (if any), who created the creator or how did the creator come to be? (I can’t

Even if the creator exists outside their creation under different laws of physics (if any), who created the creator or how did the creator come to be? (I can’t watch the video right now.)

shukantpal 4y ago
That question assumes the default state is they didn’t exist already
- simondw 4y ago
  But how does this "uncaused cause" add anything to our understanding of the cosmos, beyond adding one more entity? Why not say that God was created by God_1, who just already existed?
  - ssijak 4y ago
    seems like both your Gods were created by a SuperGod who is programming the simulation in Python
Keyframe 4y ago
recursion is one of the possible explanations as well. No beginning, no end.
tresqotheq 4y ago
> did the creator come to be.. Time, and causuality, is a construct inside of our universe. Asking who created the creator is like asking which way is down when you are in outer space..
- craftsman 4y ago
  If you can’t use the concept of causality outside of the universe, then the idea that there’s a creator outside of the universe who caused the universe is already out of bounds.
  - tresqotheq 4y ago
    > who caused the universe is already out of bounds. "caused" can mean a different thing. Imagine causualty in a 3d FPS video game, and the creation of the game itself. Though they are similar in semantics, one is different from the other.
    - craftsman 4y ago
      Ah, well in that case, the parent poster can just say that asking about the cause of the creator is a valid thing to talk about, because they mean a subtly different kind of ‘cause’ than the kind of cause you told them wasn’t valid to talk about outside of the universe.
      - tresqotheq 4y ago
        They can, but that wouldn't be too interesting to anyone in this universe. Or that it how I read it. Just like a being in a game wondering what caused the game company/programmer to write the game.. The reason will have no consequence to the beings in the game, and thus they will only be interested in the causuality mechanism within the game..
        craftsman 4y ago
        I infer then that you think the concept of a creator outside of our universe who caused it is a concept of no consequence. If so, then on that we agree.

Even if the creator exists outside their creation under different laws of physics (if any), who created the creator or how did the creator come to be? (I can’t watch the video right now.)

shukantpal 4y ago

That question assumes the default state is they didn’t exist already

simondw 4y ago
But how does this "uncaused cause" add anything to our understanding of the cosmos, beyond adding one more entity? Why not say that God was created by God_1, who just already existed?
- ssijak 4y ago
  seems like both your Gods were created by a SuperGod who is programming the simulation in Python

Keyframe 4y ago

recursion is one of the possible explanations as well. No beginning, no end.

tresqotheq 4y ago

> did the creator come to be.. Time, and causuality, is a construct inside of our universe. Asking who created the creator is like asking which way is down when you are in outer space..

craftsman 4y ago
If you can’t use the concept of causality outside of the universe, then the idea that there’s a creator outside of the universe who caused the universe is already out of bounds.
- tresqotheq 4y ago
  > who caused the universe is already out of bounds. "caused" can mean a different thing. Imagine causualty in a 3d FPS video game, and the creation of the game itself. Though they are similar in semantics, one is different from the other.
  - craftsman 4y ago
    Ah, well in that case, the parent poster can just say that asking about the cause of the creator is a valid thing to talk about, because they mean a subtly different kind of ‘cause’ than the kind of cause you told them wasn’t valid to talk about outside of the universe.
    - tresqotheq 4y ago
      They can, but that wouldn't be too interesting to anyone in this universe. Or that it how I read it. Just like a being in a game wondering what caused the game company/programmer to write the game.. The reason will have no consequence to the beings in the game, and thus they will only be interested in the causuality mechanism within the game..
      - craftsman 4y ago
        I infer then that you think the concept of a creator outside of our universe who caused it is a concept of no consequence. If so, then on that we agree.