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Setting aside that this is from a Slack competitor... > one would be hard-pressed to find any who are excited about it Me. You know all that bitching we coll

by ethbr0 4y ago

Setting aside that this is from a Slack competitor... > one would be hard-pressed to find any who are excited about it Me. You know all that bitching we collectively do about ad and tracking supported business models obsfuscating the cost of "free" products? The solution is being willing to pay for something you use and like.

ceejayoz 4y ago
Except we still get tracked in the paid stuff.
- femiagbabiaka 4y ago
  Exactly right. The whole “pay so they don’t track you” thing is a trope of maybe more than a decade ago. Now you pay to get the basic feature you need and you’ll get your data sold anyways.
- StopHammoTime 4y ago
  The fact they track the amount of messages is analytics to begin with even if it has a valid reason.
withinboredom 4y ago
I’d be willing to pay, but not that much for my brother and I to chat every now and then. Their pricing is geared towards enterprises with big budgets, not family and friends, nor even interest groups. It’s pretty much Discord everywhere now, and it’s just a matter of time until Discord eats the enterprise market too…
- LunaSea 4y ago
  Discord just isn't a good fit for B2B
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    Yet?
    - insightcheck 4y ago
      Hypothetically, I wonder how Discord would pull off a shift to enterprise. A big differentiator is that Discord is more for casual conversation. By changing the current successful product, it won't stand out versus Slack/Teams. However, a fork to a separate version of Discord sounds very, very costly in terms of resources. They would need a lot of software development (when their current developers are already occupied with the main app), and a costly marketing strategy too (to reframe Discord's fork as non-casual and suitable for business). The shift sounds very expensive, and I'm not sure how Discord could make it pay off.
      - Aeolun 4y ago
        > I'm not sure how Discord could make it pay off. I dunno, enterprise sales sound like a fairly straightforward payoff to me. But I kinda don’t want them to lose focus, and that would inevitably happen.
        ethbr0 4y ago
        I think Google shows how non-trivial being good at enterprise sales is. It's a different mindset to become a "We never thought anyone would want to do that, but we realize it's a key feature for you, so we'll get it on the roadmap" company.
majormajor 4y ago
I would be excited if it applied to paid plans too so "oh the documentation is this ancient Slack thread" would stop being treated as a viable option. ;)
a1371 4y ago
I have like 7 Slacks. 2 of them are paid, 5 of them are hobby that I may use once a month. What are you suggesting? That I pay an extra $40/month just so that maybe I need an old message in one of those? I'd agree with you if Slack were indie devs but does Slack need my $40? The unhappiness comes from the fact that people want to rely on a service, even if it's free. It would make sense if this was a change for the sake of resources or paid user experience. This is for neither, just a tiny push for people to pay or leave. Ironically, It may make me want to stop paying because having all the conversations in one place is nice if I take the hobby slacks elsewhere
- xen2xen1 4y ago
  So I have to ask, why use Slack for hobby things instead of Discord? Is that driven by people used to having it at work? I'm confused by the thought of "hobby Slack channels".
  - muppetman 4y ago
    Discord is so childish. It's embarassing to have open.
    - raydev 4y ago
      Being embarrassed by it seems childish. Who are you trying to impress?
      - Spivak 4y ago
        Especially since it’s almost literally Slack except purple. The design and feature set are the same.
        muppetman 4y ago
        And the giant "Nitro!" banners with blob melting faces and the rest. I don't know I uninstalled it after I made the mistake of installing it at work.
barbs 4y ago
Paying for something does not necessarily mean you won't be tracked, or even not be shown ads ( Windows, anybody?). The better solution for that is to use open-source software.

by ethbr0 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago

Except we still get tracked in the paid stuff.

femiagbabiaka 4y ago
Exactly right. The whole “pay so they don’t track you” thing is a trope of maybe more than a decade ago. Now you pay to get the basic feature you need and you’ll get your data sold anyways.
StopHammoTime 4y ago
The fact they track the amount of messages is analytics to begin with even if it has a valid reason.

withinboredom 4y ago

I’d be willing to pay, but not that much for my brother and I to chat every now and then. Their pricing is geared towards enterprises with big budgets, not family and friends, nor even interest groups. It’s pretty much Discord everywhere now, and it’s just a matter of time until Discord eats the enterprise market too…

LunaSea 4y ago
Discord just isn't a good fit for B2B
- withinboredom 4y ago
  Yet?
  - insightcheck 4y ago
    Hypothetically, I wonder how Discord would pull off a shift to enterprise. A big differentiator is that Discord is more for casual conversation. By changing the current successful product, it won't stand out versus Slack/Teams. However, a fork to a separate version of Discord sounds very, very costly in terms of resources. They would need a lot of software development (when their current developers are already occupied with the main app), and a costly marketing strategy too (to reframe Discord's fork as non-casual and suitable for business). The shift sounds very expensive, and I'm not sure how Discord could make it pay off.
    - Aeolun 4y ago
      > I'm not sure how Discord could make it pay off. I dunno, enterprise sales sound like a fairly straightforward payoff to me. But I kinda don’t want them to lose focus, and that would inevitably happen.
      - ethbr0 4y ago
        I think Google shows how non-trivial being good at enterprise sales is. It's a different mindset to become a "We never thought anyone would want to do that, but we realize it's a key feature for you, so we'll get it on the roadmap" company.

majormajor 4y ago

I would be excited if it applied to paid plans too so "oh the documentation is this ancient Slack thread" would stop being treated as a viable option. ;)

a1371 4y ago

I have like 7 Slacks. 2 of them are paid, 5 of them are hobby that I may use once a month. What are you suggesting? That I pay an extra $40/month just so that maybe I need an old message in one of those? I'd agree with you if Slack were indie devs but does Slack need my $40? The unhappiness comes from the fact that people want to rely on a service, even if it's free. It would make sense if this was a change for the sake of resources or paid user experience. This is for neither, just a tiny push for people to pay or leave. Ironically, It may make me want to stop paying because having all the conversations in one place is nice if I take the hobby slacks elsewhere

xen2xen1 4y ago
So I have to ask, why use Slack for hobby things instead of Discord? Is that driven by people used to having it at work? I'm confused by the thought of "hobby Slack channels".
- muppetman 4y ago
  Discord is so childish. It's embarassing to have open.
  - raydev 4y ago
    Being embarrassed by it seems childish. Who are you trying to impress?
    - Spivak 4y ago
      Especially since it’s almost literally Slack except purple. The design and feature set are the same.
      - muppetman 4y ago
        And the giant "Nitro!" banners with blob melting faces and the rest. I don't know I uninstalled it after I made the mistake of installing it at work.

barbs 4y ago

Paying for something does not necessarily mean you won't be tracked, or even not be shown ads ( Windows, anybody?). The better solution for that is to use open-source software.