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Why do people keep comparing to Theranos when Starlink is already being used by hundreds of thousands of people? Starlink exists. In fact, SpaceX/Starlink now o

Why do people keep comparing to Theranos when Starlink is already being used by hundreds of thousands of people? Starlink exists. In fact, SpaceX/Starlink now operates more satellites in Low Earth Orbit than every other country and business in the world, combined. Theranos had no proven track record. Like, what's enough to satisfy you?

mplewis 4y ago
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- mlindner 4y ago
  Conveniently ignoring all the evidence of success? I wish I could charlatan my way into thousands of satellites in space, a rocket that flies into space weekly and a car company changing the flow of the entire industry. Sounds pretty good for a mere charlatan. This is like the old argument about faking the moon landings. By the time you add up all the things you'd need to fake/people you'd need to buy off in order to make it bullet proof, you end up with it being actually cheaper to actually fly to the moon.
- ryan93 4y ago
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- ALittleLight 4y ago
  I think you damage your own credibility more than Musk's by saying things like this. He's delivered on electric cars and reusable rockets. It's fair to say promises more than he delivers, but he delivers an awful lot.
  - fivestarman 4y ago
    - bottlepalm 4y ago
      He's actually a pretty incredible engineer who was been making important engineering decisions daily for 20 years. Decisions that make or break products and companies.
      - fivestarman 4y ago
        He never studied to be an engineer. He doesn't have his name on any designs or inventions within his companies. He isn't an engineer. A lot of claims have been made that he also hasn't actually coded anything that's been used. The guy is a liar, look it up. Go on youtube and search "elon musk debunked". There are lots of videos with sources showing how elon is a fraud.
        bottlepalm 4y ago
        Elon has a degree in physics. You think you can only work as an engineer if the word 'engineer' is the degree you have? Many engineers have degrees in physics among other foundational sciences - math, chemistry, etc... They make for especially good engineers.
        fivestarman 4y ago
        He has a bachelor of arts in physics. He isn't an engineer. There are actual qualifications to being an engineer and he doesn't have those. He came up from his dad's unethical mining company. His code has never been used because it "was garbage". If elon musk is an engineer, what has he engineered that has his name on it? Please point me in the direction that shows that elon has the certifications and education to call himself an engineer. Musk has a lot of people fooled that he's a genius, and he even lied about having asbergers, on top of everything else he has lied about.
        bottlepalm 4y ago
        There actually aren't any official qualifications to be an engineer unless you are talking about 'licensed engineers' of which only 20% of all engineers are. Please correct me if I'm wrong and post the official qualifications. That being said, a physics degree is more than enough to work in most engineering positions. Elon being the leader is probably the most important part of the SpaceX and Tesla engineering teams and shares the credit with everyone else when a good product ships.
  - e-clinton 4y ago
    I agree that he delivers a lot, but the comment is still fair seems he constantly over-promises and under delivers.
    - mlindner 4y ago
      What he "under-delivers" is still a lot more than most other companies deliver, maybe every other company.
    - ALittleLight 4y ago
      If someone said "I'm the fastest man alive! I can run at the speed of sound!" And then they went out and ran at 30% the speed of sound I think it would make sense to say "That was an amazing try. You're not at the speed of sound, or even that close to it, but you're definitely the fastest man alive and that is amazing running." I don't think it would make sense to call this person a fraud.
      - e-clinton 4y ago
        The problem with the logic is that he’s commercializing the over-promises. Investors are buying his stock based on those missed promises. People are buying cars based on that too and are being let down.
    - bpodgursky 4y ago
      Underdelivery is par for literally every human institution on earth. The federal government underdelivers. Corporations by default underdeliver. Grad students underdeliver. Football teams underdeliver. Every single institution on earth more ambitious than lawncare services makes lofty ambitious goals and then achieve maybe 20% of them. Musk is the same, but the difference is that his 20% are orders of magnitude more ambitious than anyone else, so 20% delivery is still world-changing.
  - rvz 4y ago
    > I think you damage your own credibility more than Musk's by saying things like this. Why are you making it about this commenter? They are not wrong. Unless you can answer this next question: > He's delivered on electric cars and reusable rockets. It's fair to say promises more than he delivers, but he delivers an awful lot. So where are the 1 million robo-taxis driving around at Level 5 FSD ready for release in 2020 then? There is a reason why he is very clever at playing the pied piper and manipulating his customers like crash dummies to buy his FSD contraption to run each other down whilst increasing the price of a broken product. That alone highlights the scam he is running with FSD which is a shame since that it damages his credibility and with the repeated failed claims and predictions of FSD not materializing, he is making himself a magnificent example of a great con artist with Tesla.
    - bottlepalm 4y ago
      I'm pretty happy with FSD beta, drives itself 95% of the time and I can easily see them figuring out the other 5%. People like you said landing rockets wasn't possible either. Where are they now?
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      Ardent Musk critics look at FSD, see a scam, and conclude that Musk is a scammer and everything he does is a scam. Ardent Musk fanboys look at the rockets, see them actually work, and conclude that Musk is legit in everything he does. Personally I think Musk's ventures are a mix of scam and legitimate. His rockets are real, but I don't believe for a minute they'll ever send a colony to Mars. His cars are real, but anybody who bought one hoping it would make passive income as a robotaxi got burned. Musk ventures are like going to a circus; the lions are probably real, the mermaid exhibit isn't, and the "world's strongest man" is certainly strong, but not the world's strongest.
      - rvz 4y ago
        Well, my criticism is specifically and only with FSD. There was no mention of me calling SpaceX, Tesla cars, etc a scam. You can support and purchase a Tesla but also be critical of the claims about FSD and leave out SpaceX, Starlink, etc.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Most of us here would dream of being that effective. He's a jerk though, that's the part the world could do without and with him now firmly in the Trump camp we'll see what kind of long term misery will come from that. I can't stand it when immigrants into a country become champions for the anti-immigration party, it's the moral equivalent of kicking the door shut behind you.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    > with him now firmly in the Trump camp we'll see what kind of long term misery will come from that. [citation needed]. I guess you missed the news of Trump completely lambasting Elon? Trump is no friend of Elon. Nor is Elon a friend of Trump. Elon is a centrist, not far right.
    - expensive_news 4y ago
      To add, Elon actually accepted an advisory position for Trump when he became President, but quit less than 6 months in after voicing his disagreement on leaving the Paris Agreement. [1] That’s exactly the opposite of being in the Trump camp. [1] https://fortune.com/2017/06/01/elon-musk-trump-paris-agreement/ https://fortune.com/2017/06/01/elon-musk-trump-paris-agreeme...
    - nocsi 4y ago
      lol you can tell someone doesn’t understand elon when they claim he’s on anyones side. He trolls everyone equally
  - signatoremo 4y ago
    He is not a champion for anti immigration. Where did you get that impression? Musk is also not in Trump’s camp [0]. He is centrist and libertarian, and he doesn’t have to cater to any particular political party. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/musk-says-trump-should-skip-2024-race-too-old-to-be-president#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/musk-says...
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- misiti3780 4y ago
manquer 4y ago
Minor pedantic observation Starlink will be able to claim that achievement of having more than everyone else combined soon but isn’t there yet. There are around 4000ish non starlink satellites in orbit today , starlink has 3k today .
- elurg 4y ago
  I don't know where you're getting "4000ish non starlink satellites". This seems to be the current number at the start of the year inclusive of starlink. It's growing fast! Many sources on the web seem to quote the Union of Concerned Scientists and here is their database: https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/satellite-database https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/satellite-database It's currently at 2219 starlinks and 5465 total, but Starlink has launched more since then.
- mlindner 4y ago
  I explicitly said low earth orbit (below 2000 km), not all satellites in orbit.

mplewis 4y ago

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mlindner 4y ago
Conveniently ignoring all the evidence of success? I wish I could charlatan my way into thousands of satellites in space, a rocket that flies into space weekly and a car company changing the flow of the entire industry. Sounds pretty good for a mere charlatan. This is like the old argument about faking the moon landings. By the time you add up all the things you'd need to fake/people you'd need to buy off in order to make it bullet proof, you end up with it being actually cheaper to actually fly to the moon.
ryan93 4y ago
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ALittleLight 4y ago
I think you damage your own credibility more than Musk's by saying things like this. He's delivered on electric cars and reusable rockets. It's fair to say promises more than he delivers, but he delivers an awful lot.
- fivestarman 4y ago
  - bottlepalm 4y ago
    He's actually a pretty incredible engineer who was been making important engineering decisions daily for 20 years. Decisions that make or break products and companies.
    - fivestarman 4y ago
      He never studied to be an engineer. He doesn't have his name on any designs or inventions within his companies. He isn't an engineer. A lot of claims have been made that he also hasn't actually coded anything that's been used. The guy is a liar, look it up. Go on youtube and search "elon musk debunked". There are lots of videos with sources showing how elon is a fraud.
      - bottlepalm 4y ago
        Elon has a degree in physics. You think you can only work as an engineer if the word 'engineer' is the degree you have? Many engineers have degrees in physics among other foundational sciences - math, chemistry, etc... They make for especially good engineers.
        fivestarman 4y ago
        He has a bachelor of arts in physics. He isn't an engineer. There are actual qualifications to being an engineer and he doesn't have those. He came up from his dad's unethical mining company. His code has never been used because it "was garbage". If elon musk is an engineer, what has he engineered that has his name on it? Please point me in the direction that shows that elon has the certifications and education to call himself an engineer. Musk has a lot of people fooled that he's a genius, and he even lied about having asbergers, on top of everything else he has lied about.
        bottlepalm 4y ago
        There actually aren't any official qualifications to be an engineer unless you are talking about 'licensed engineers' of which only 20% of all engineers are. Please correct me if I'm wrong and post the official qualifications. That being said, a physics degree is more than enough to work in most engineering positions. Elon being the leader is probably the most important part of the SpaceX and Tesla engineering teams and shares the credit with everyone else when a good product ships.
- e-clinton 4y ago
  I agree that he delivers a lot, but the comment is still fair seems he constantly over-promises and under delivers.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    What he "under-delivers" is still a lot more than most other companies deliver, maybe every other company.
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    If someone said "I'm the fastest man alive! I can run at the speed of sound!" And then they went out and ran at 30% the speed of sound I think it would make sense to say "That was an amazing try. You're not at the speed of sound, or even that close to it, but you're definitely the fastest man alive and that is amazing running." I don't think it would make sense to call this person a fraud.
    - e-clinton 4y ago
      The problem with the logic is that he’s commercializing the over-promises. Investors are buying his stock based on those missed promises. People are buying cars based on that too and are being let down.
  - bpodgursky 4y ago
    Underdelivery is par for literally every human institution on earth. The federal government underdelivers. Corporations by default underdeliver. Grad students underdeliver. Football teams underdeliver. Every single institution on earth more ambitious than lawncare services makes lofty ambitious goals and then achieve maybe 20% of them. Musk is the same, but the difference is that his 20% are orders of magnitude more ambitious than anyone else, so 20% delivery is still world-changing.
- rvz 4y ago
  > I think you damage your own credibility more than Musk's by saying things like this. Why are you making it about this commenter? They are not wrong. Unless you can answer this next question: > He's delivered on electric cars and reusable rockets. It's fair to say promises more than he delivers, but he delivers an awful lot. So where are the 1 million robo-taxis driving around at Level 5 FSD ready for release in 2020 then? There is a reason why he is very clever at playing the pied piper and manipulating his customers like crash dummies to buy his FSD contraption to run each other down whilst increasing the price of a broken product. That alone highlights the scam he is running with FSD which is a shame since that it damages his credibility and with the repeated failed claims and predictions of FSD not materializing, he is making himself a magnificent example of a great con artist with Tesla.
  - bottlepalm 4y ago
    I'm pretty happy with FSD beta, drives itself 95% of the time and I can easily see them figuring out the other 5%. People like you said landing rockets wasn't possible either. Where are they now?
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Ardent Musk critics look at FSD, see a scam, and conclude that Musk is a scammer and everything he does is a scam. Ardent Musk fanboys look at the rockets, see them actually work, and conclude that Musk is legit in everything he does. Personally I think Musk's ventures are a mix of scam and legitimate. His rockets are real, but I don't believe for a minute they'll ever send a colony to Mars. His cars are real, but anybody who bought one hoping it would make passive income as a robotaxi got burned. Musk ventures are like going to a circus; the lions are probably real, the mermaid exhibit isn't, and the "world's strongest man" is certainly strong, but not the world's strongest.
    - rvz 4y ago
      Well, my criticism is specifically and only with FSD. There was no mention of me calling SpaceX, Tesla cars, etc a scam. You can support and purchase a Tesla but also be critical of the claims about FSD and leave out SpaceX, Starlink, etc.
jacquesm 4y ago
Most of us here would dream of being that effective. He's a jerk though, that's the part the world could do without and with him now firmly in the Trump camp we'll see what kind of long term misery will come from that. I can't stand it when immigrants into a country become champions for the anti-immigration party, it's the moral equivalent of kicking the door shut behind you.
- mlindner 4y ago
  > with him now firmly in the Trump camp we'll see what kind of long term misery will come from that. [citation needed]. I guess you missed the news of Trump completely lambasting Elon? Trump is no friend of Elon. Nor is Elon a friend of Trump. Elon is a centrist, not far right.
  - expensive_news 4y ago
    To add, Elon actually accepted an advisory position for Trump when he became President, but quit less than 6 months in after voicing his disagreement on leaving the Paris Agreement. [1] That’s exactly the opposite of being in the Trump camp. [1] https://fortune.com/2017/06/01/elon-musk-trump-paris-agreement/ https://fortune.com/2017/06/01/elon-musk-trump-paris-agreeme...
  - nocsi 4y ago
    lol you can tell someone doesn’t understand elon when they claim he’s on anyones side. He trolls everyone equally
- signatoremo 4y ago
  He is not a champion for anti immigration. Where did you get that impression? Musk is also not in Trump’s camp [0]. He is centrist and libertarian, and he doesn’t have to cater to any particular political party. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/musk-says-trump-should-skip-2024-race-too-old-to-be-president#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/musk-says...
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misiti3780 4y ago

manquer 4y ago

Minor pedantic observation Starlink will be able to claim that achievement of having more than everyone else combined soon but isn’t there yet. There are around 4000ish non starlink satellites in orbit today , starlink has 3k today .

elurg 4y ago
I don't know where you're getting "4000ish non starlink satellites". This seems to be the current number at the start of the year inclusive of starlink. It's growing fast! Many sources on the web seem to quote the Union of Concerned Scientists and here is their database: https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/satellite-database https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/satellite-database It's currently at 2219 starlinks and 5465 total, but Starlink has launched more since then.
mlindner 4y ago
I explicitly said low earth orbit (below 2000 km), not all satellites in orbit.