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> I feel like our society does require some gatekeepers Which should be people who broadly speaking share your political and ethical beliefs, yes? And, if the

> I feel like our society does require some gatekeepers Which should be people who broadly speaking share your political and ethical beliefs, yes? And, if the gatekeepers are people with a different sense of morality, it is fascism and must be torn down in the name of freedom, correct?

bergenty 4y ago
There is something to building around a consensus on who they are roughly around the phrase “first cause no harm”
- throwawayacc2 4y ago
  What is harm?
  - bergenty 4y ago
    Physical or mental pain and anguish
    - bobsmooth 4y ago
      So we need Big Brother to protect us from facts that will harm us.
      - bergenty 4y ago
        We need the government to protect us from a lot of things that can harm us.
        DocTomoe 4y ago
        The next step then is the government deciding what will harm us, so we can be protected. And then you got a very nice little fascist country that runs perfectly, and the trains run on time to move all those harmful people away from where good people live. Out of sight, out of mind.
        bergenty 4y ago
        The government already decides that. That’s what laws are. Why are you speaking rhetorically?
        DocTomoe 4y ago
        And as time progresses, new laws are no longer common sense ("don't steal, don't murder"), but become increasingly cumbersome, while still acceptable ("don't drive a vehicle unless we license you for vehicle use") and ultimately problematic ("You can't own sulphuric acid"). Before too long, laws become criminal, and those must not be obeyed ("You have to believe this or that, or at least shut up about what you really think, because doing otherwise may hurt people"). Too many laws make everyone a criminal, for eventually, everyday, innocent behaviour becomes criminalised. When you arrive at thoughtcrime, it already is too late.
    - stocknoob 4y ago
      A lot of devout believers experienced mental anguish when hearing the earth wasn’t the center of the universe. And yet it moves.
    - throwawayacc2 4y ago
freejazz 4y ago

bergenty 4y ago

There is something to building around a consensus on who they are roughly around the phrase “first cause no harm”

throwawayacc2 4y ago
What is harm?
- bergenty 4y ago
  Physical or mental pain and anguish
  - bobsmooth 4y ago
    So we need Big Brother to protect us from facts that will harm us.
    - bergenty 4y ago
      We need the government to protect us from a lot of things that can harm us.
      - DocTomoe 4y ago
        The next step then is the government deciding what will harm us, so we can be protected. And then you got a very nice little fascist country that runs perfectly, and the trains run on time to move all those harmful people away from where good people live. Out of sight, out of mind.
        bergenty 4y ago
        The government already decides that. That’s what laws are. Why are you speaking rhetorically?
        DocTomoe 4y ago
        And as time progresses, new laws are no longer common sense ("don't steal, don't murder"), but become increasingly cumbersome, while still acceptable ("don't drive a vehicle unless we license you for vehicle use") and ultimately problematic ("You can't own sulphuric acid"). Before too long, laws become criminal, and those must not be obeyed ("You have to believe this or that, or at least shut up about what you really think, because doing otherwise may hurt people"). Too many laws make everyone a criminal, for eventually, everyday, innocent behaviour becomes criminalised. When you arrive at thoughtcrime, it already is too late.
  - stocknoob 4y ago
    A lot of devout believers experienced mental anguish when hearing the earth wasn’t the center of the universe. And yet it moves.
  - throwawayacc2 4y ago

freejazz 4y ago