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Race is a social construct, news at 11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_o
by lozenge 4y ago
Race is a social construct, news at 11.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_th... - many groups that used to be called non-white, are now called white.
You are not putting enough focus on the "American" in the title. The software makes them "sound American", and sound like a specific group of Americans. It doesn't make them "sound white" and sound like a specific group of whites. The concept of whites has no meaning outside of a particular society's definition of it (in this case the US).
And yes, if you're born in the US and grew up there your accent will be closer to your school/general society than your parents, in my experience. If the school isn't high percentage Indian, then you will "sound white [American]".
- drKarl 4y agoOn point. What does "white" mean anyways? In Spain for example there's a mix of iberian-celtic tribes, fenicians, greeks, romans, visigoths (which were germanic tribes), arabic (Al-Andalus califate lasted around 700 years and controlled more than half the iberian peninsula), etc and more recently instead of conquest, there's inmigration from South America, Africa, Asia...
- Bayart 4y agoMuch like everywhere in Europe, the Spanish population is stable since the Bronze Age. Subsequent invasions are anecdotal. Considering the European population is generally very young and homogeneous compared to that of other continents, it does make sense to consider it as one ethnic block (whatever you call it, "white" or not, is of little interest).
- User23 4y agoWho you marry and have children with and where you choose to raise them is a social construct too.
- unmole 4y ago> many groups that used to be called non-white, are now called white. Like which ones?
- JTon 4y agoSouthern Europeans who live by the Mediterranean sea. Italians, Spanish, Greeks
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoAnother commenter posted this link, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... , but it makes the convincing case that that was never true. Italians, Spaniards and Greeks we're always considered white in the ways the actually mattered in the US. They could drink from "whites only" drinking fountains. They could marry folks of British descent and nobody considered this an "interracial marriage". They could join unions that had "whites only" membership policies.
- jodrellblank 4y agoThe Irish: https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754 https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/where-the-irish-are-not-quite-white-white-1.194560 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/where-the-irish-are-not-quit... Eastern Europeans, Poles, Slavs, Hungarians: https://andscape.com/features/white-immigrants-werent-always-considered-white-and-acceptable/ https://andscape.com/features/white-immigrants-werent-always...
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- unmole 4y agoI'm sorry but I don't see how your links support the case than these groups were considered non-White. They faced prejudice, sure. But the idea that they were considered non-White is historical revisionism: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
- solarkraft 4y agoIt often depends on whether the speaker considers "white" to be good or bad and whether they like the person they're talking about.