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> That said, all I have is the constant drum of “the world is over populated” by leaders around the world to back up my reasoning for potentially being intentio

> That said, all I have is the constant drum of “the world is over populated” by leaders around the world to back up my reasoning for potentially being intentional. You might want to consult with a professional, that’s paranoid thinking.

lettergram 4y ago
You do know the US government and governments around the world have straight sterilized women before; without their knowledge? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Amer... I’m not even saying that nefarious. Have you heard of planned parenthood? The government gives them money to aid in reducing fertility. Particularly in populations that would find children “burdensome”. It’s not a stretch to consider the idea the government, organization or company might knowingly hide side effects of something detrimental. Alternative the government could say, urge it’s medical staff to hand out “the pill”. Schools already urge students to use condoms and give them out in some cases. Just as an example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-school-district-oks-teachers-giving-condoms-to-students-as-young-as-sixth-graders/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-school-district-oks-teac... You’d have to be a different kind of crazy to think it’s not possible lol
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jasonfarnon 4y ago
A quick google search leads me to an NYT article: "In the last several days, the British government’s environmental adviser declared it “irresponsible” to have more than two children. And Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, asserted that including contraception in the stimulus package could reduce government spending." If China wanted to reduce population in 2022, would it announce a mandatory one-child-policy? Or would it use any number of other more subtle techniques to reduce fertility? So OPs remark doesn't sound very paranoid to me. It sounds unjustified--I can think of a million innocent reasons fertility is decreasing.
- vidarh 4y ago
  China has not just repealed the one-child policy, but are pushing for more children, because they, like a lot of governments, are now more concerned about falling birth rates than about overpopulation. China is set to start seeing population decline within a decade or two at current rates. While you might find individuals in governments some places that still worry about overpopulation, most places outside of sub-Saharan Africa, the concern now is a growing demographic timebomb as populations age and birth rates are falling below replacement almost everywhere. (Sub-Saharan Africa is also seeing sharp declines, but is not there yet)
- lettergram 4y ago
  > So OPs remark doesn't sound very paranoid to me. It sounds unjustified--I can think of a million innocent reasons fertility is decreasing. For the record I actually agree with this. I think it’s most likely not intentional. That said I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intentional [as there is precedent] (which is what I initially said).
krageon 4y ago
Not just paranoid, it's ascribing far too much competence to them.

lettergram 4y ago

You do know the US government and governments around the world have straight sterilized women before; without their knowledge? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Amer... I’m not even saying that nefarious. Have you heard of planned parenthood? The government gives them money to aid in reducing fertility. Particularly in populations that would find children “burdensome”. It’s not a stretch to consider the idea the government, organization or company might knowingly hide side effects of something detrimental. Alternative the government could say, urge it’s medical staff to hand out “the pill”. Schools already urge students to use condoms and give them out in some cases. Just as an example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-school-district-oks-teachers-giving-condoms-to-students-as-young-as-sixth-graders/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-school-district-oks-teac... You’d have to be a different kind of crazy to think it’s not possible lol

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jasonfarnon 4y ago

A quick google search leads me to an NYT article: "In the last several days, the British government’s environmental adviser declared it “irresponsible” to have more than two children. And Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, asserted that including contraception in the stimulus package could reduce government spending." If China wanted to reduce population in 2022, would it announce a mandatory one-child-policy? Or would it use any number of other more subtle techniques to reduce fertility? So OPs remark doesn't sound very paranoid to me. It sounds unjustified--I can think of a million innocent reasons fertility is decreasing.

vidarh 4y ago
China has not just repealed the one-child policy, but are pushing for more children, because they, like a lot of governments, are now more concerned about falling birth rates than about overpopulation. China is set to start seeing population decline within a decade or two at current rates. While you might find individuals in governments some places that still worry about overpopulation, most places outside of sub-Saharan Africa, the concern now is a growing demographic timebomb as populations age and birth rates are falling below replacement almost everywhere. (Sub-Saharan Africa is also seeing sharp declines, but is not there yet)
lettergram 4y ago
> So OPs remark doesn't sound very paranoid to me. It sounds unjustified--I can think of a million innocent reasons fertility is decreasing. For the record I actually agree with this. I think it’s most likely not intentional. That said I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intentional [as there is precedent] (which is what I initially said).

krageon 4y ago

Not just paranoid, it's ascribing far too much competence to them.