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Crack it. As fast as possible.

by AndrewDucker 4y ago

theyeenzbeanz 4y ago
Weren’t some games that came with Denuvo cracked in a comically quick fashion in the past?
- donkarma 4y ago
  only because they left the demo executable linked without denuvo with everything working
User23 4y ago
Please use neutral terminology such as “community supported performance patch.”
sergiotapia 4y ago
The only person on the planet that is currently cracking Denuvo is Empress.
donkarma 4y ago
have fun learning about devirtualisation and compiler theory
Retr0id 4y ago
It doesn't even need a crack, it "just" needs more accurate emulation. It may turn out that cracking is the path of least resistance, but making emulation more accurate is less of a legal issue - I for one would feel comfortable working on it "in the open" (which I may well do, depending on how much I care about the first Denuvo'd switch games to come out).
- GuB-42 4y ago
  Accurate emulation is extremely hard, even for ancient hardware. See this article from 2011 for example: https://arstechnica.netblogpro.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/ https://arstechnica.netblogpro.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-t... It takes a 3 GHz CPU to emulate the SNES accurately. You can do with less, obviously, but you will notice differences in some games. With modern hardware, I don't think perfectly accurate emulation will ever be possible. We don't have that for the PS2 and XBox, maybe on the original PlayStation, but I am not even sure. Emulators for modern systems are all high level, emulating API calls instead of the hardware.
  - Retr0id 4y ago
    If denuvo does anything that actually requires cycle-accurate emulation, I'll eat my hat. Modern hardware is easier to emulate "accurately", simply because the real hardware does not behave as consistently as, say, a 6502 core. DRAM and cache latency are variable, and the core/bus frequencies are scaling up and down all the time. Furthermore, the coupling between the CPU and GPU is more asynchronous than it used to be. Your emulator doesn't have to hit any specific timings, becaure there aren't any - it just has to be within some range of plausibility. I wouldn't be surprised if denuvo does make use of timing to some extent, but it won't need cycle-accurate emulation to defeat, just fudging the numbers to get close enough.

Crack it. As fast as possible.

theyeenzbeanz 4y ago

Weren’t some games that came with Denuvo cracked in a comically quick fashion in the past?

donkarma 4y ago
only because they left the demo executable linked without denuvo with everything working

User23 4y ago

Please use neutral terminology such as “community supported performance patch.”

sergiotapia 4y ago

The only person on the planet that is currently cracking Denuvo is Empress.

donkarma 4y ago

have fun learning about devirtualisation and compiler theory

Retr0id 4y ago

It doesn't even need a crack, it "just" needs more accurate emulation. It may turn out that cracking is the path of least resistance, but making emulation more accurate is less of a legal issue - I for one would feel comfortable working on it "in the open" (which I may well do, depending on how much I care about the first Denuvo'd switch games to come out).

GuB-42 4y ago
Accurate emulation is extremely hard, even for ancient hardware. See this article from 2011 for example: https://arstechnica.netblogpro.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/ https://arstechnica.netblogpro.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-t... It takes a 3 GHz CPU to emulate the SNES accurately. You can do with less, obviously, but you will notice differences in some games. With modern hardware, I don't think perfectly accurate emulation will ever be possible. We don't have that for the PS2 and XBox, maybe on the original PlayStation, but I am not even sure. Emulators for modern systems are all high level, emulating API calls instead of the hardware.
- Retr0id 4y ago
  If denuvo does anything that actually requires cycle-accurate emulation, I'll eat my hat. Modern hardware is easier to emulate "accurately", simply because the real hardware does not behave as consistently as, say, a 6502 core. DRAM and cache latency are variable, and the core/bus frequencies are scaling up and down all the time. Furthermore, the coupling between the CPU and GPU is more asynchronous than it used to be. Your emulator doesn't have to hit any specific timings, becaure there aren't any - it just has to be within some range of plausibility. I wouldn't be surprised if denuvo does make use of timing to some extent, but it won't need cycle-accurate emulation to defeat, just fudging the numbers to get close enough.