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Its interesting how the numbers are differnt from Stackoverflow's blog survey of this year. Where Rust leads #1 https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-m

Its interesting how the numbers are differnt from Stackoverflow's blog survey of this year. Where Rust leads #1 https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-programming-scripting-and-markup-languages https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-loved-dre...

hashishen 4y ago
good ol cobol still one of the most dreaded
- SantiagoElf 4y ago
  Strange to see VBA and Objective-C so low on the list. Worked with both - nothing scary there. The Fantastic Seven - C#, Python, TypeScript, C++, Go, SQL, F# - covers 99.99% of your programming language needs. :)
  - frakt0x90 4y ago
    At least with VBA people are probably scarred by having to modify auto-generated macros, the atrocious error system, GOTOs, and the terrible excel IDE.
    - BuckRogers 4y ago
      I'll defend GOTOs! Everything is a GOTO, just in a different code construct. I find myself thinking in "GOTOs" all the time, and use bools in nearly the exact same way. That said, I started programming in the 80s in BASIC and crack a loving smirk when I see a GOTO.
      - marcodiego 4y ago
        More modern features like "defer" should be enough to remove the last remaining needs for GOTO; even "try/catch/finally" may be enough for that.
      - SantiagoElf 4y ago
        And it all boilds down to: JC JNC JE/JZ JNE/JNZ JO JNO JP/ JPE JNP/ JPO JS JNS JA/ JNBE JAE/ JNB JBE/ JNA JG/ JNLE JGE/ JNL JL/ JNGE JLE/ JNG JCXZ at the end :)
- wongarsu 4y ago
  Understandable. There are a number of organizational or technical reasons why a system would use Cobol in 2022, and each of them would be a good reason to dread being assigned to it
derstander 4y ago
I wonder if the difference in results between the IEEE and Stackoverflow surveys might be due primarily to the different demographics. You would expect working electrical engineers to more heavily favor languages like MATLAB or R, which shows in the IEEE rankings. But that doesn’t explain Julia being more popular in Stackoverflow, though — unless some working engineers still consider it too experimental for production use?
- batrachos 4y ago
  StackOverflow seems to have a new/shiny bias.
- oaiey 4y ago
  For sure. Especially the "Spectrum" classification. It even says in the text.
tonmoy 4y ago
I wonder if new languages or languages with bad documentation/lack of good textbook would warrant the users to frequent stackoverflow more.
jstx1 4y ago
Different methodologies. SO's most loved metric is % of people using the language who want ot keep using it. If you look at the most popular languages (as in used by most people) in SO's survey, the top 3 are JavaScript, HTML/CSS and Python. As far as IEEE's methodology - it's not even described which makes the whole article kind of pointless.
- Jtsummers 4y ago
  https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-methods https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-methods It's also described in the original post, but the above goes into the sources used.
  - jstx1 4y ago
    This doesn't explain the methodology though, it just lists the sources. I want to know what it means for Python to be 100 and for Java to be 70.22.
    - Jtsummers 4y ago
      They have three sets of weights to adjust the scores across nine different metrics. Here is their 2021 version which did the same but let you alter the weights yourself (would be nice if they'd still offered it this year, but they had their reasons not to): https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages/ https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages/ You can see the likely weights they used for the three rankings they show this year. As to what it means 100 vs 70.22 means, it means that Python got a higher score under that ranking. It showed up in more places.
valbaca 4y ago
It's comparing apples to turntables. IEEE is a mixed weight of Jobs+Trending. What you linked to is SO's "most loved" where the question asked is: "Which programming, scripting, and markup languages have you done extensive development work in over the past year, and which do you want to work in over the next year? (If you both worked with the language and want to continue to do so, please check both boxes in that row.)" As of now, Rust is beloved, but there are few jobs (outside of crypto grifting), especially relative to the hype and relative to other languages, and most projects are 1-person projects or a handful at most. EDIT: here's a better graph to compare: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technologies-language-prof https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog...

hashishen 4y ago

good ol cobol still one of the most dreaded

SantiagoElf 4y ago
Strange to see VBA and Objective-C so low on the list. Worked with both - nothing scary there. The Fantastic Seven - C#, Python, TypeScript, C++, Go, SQL, F# - covers 99.99% of your programming language needs. :)
- frakt0x90 4y ago
  At least with VBA people are probably scarred by having to modify auto-generated macros, the atrocious error system, GOTOs, and the terrible excel IDE.
  - BuckRogers 4y ago
    I'll defend GOTOs! Everything is a GOTO, just in a different code construct. I find myself thinking in "GOTOs" all the time, and use bools in nearly the exact same way. That said, I started programming in the 80s in BASIC and crack a loving smirk when I see a GOTO.
    - marcodiego 4y ago
      More modern features like "defer" should be enough to remove the last remaining needs for GOTO; even "try/catch/finally" may be enough for that.
    - SantiagoElf 4y ago
      And it all boilds down to: JC JNC JE/JZ JNE/JNZ JO JNO JP/ JPE JNP/ JPO JS JNS JA/ JNBE JAE/ JNB JBE/ JNA JG/ JNLE JGE/ JNL JL/ JNGE JLE/ JNG JCXZ at the end :)
wongarsu 4y ago
Understandable. There are a number of organizational or technical reasons why a system would use Cobol in 2022, and each of them would be a good reason to dread being assigned to it

derstander 4y ago

I wonder if the difference in results between the IEEE and Stackoverflow surveys might be due primarily to the different demographics. You would expect working electrical engineers to more heavily favor languages like MATLAB or R, which shows in the IEEE rankings. But that doesn’t explain Julia being more popular in Stackoverflow, though — unless some working engineers still consider it too experimental for production use?

batrachos 4y ago
StackOverflow seems to have a new/shiny bias.
oaiey 4y ago
For sure. Especially the "Spectrum" classification. It even says in the text.

tonmoy 4y ago

I wonder if new languages or languages with bad documentation/lack of good textbook would warrant the users to frequent stackoverflow more.

jstx1 4y ago

Different methodologies. SO's most loved metric is % of people using the language who want ot keep using it. If you look at the most popular languages (as in used by most people) in SO's survey, the top 3 are JavaScript, HTML/CSS and Python. As far as IEEE's methodology - it's not even described which makes the whole article kind of pointless.

Jtsummers 4y ago
https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-methods https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-methods It's also described in the original post, but the above goes into the sources used.
- jstx1 4y ago
  This doesn't explain the methodology though, it just lists the sources. I want to know what it means for Python to be 100 and for Java to be 70.22.
  - Jtsummers 4y ago
    They have three sets of weights to adjust the scores across nine different metrics. Here is their 2021 version which did the same but let you alter the weights yourself (would be nice if they'd still offered it this year, but they had their reasons not to): https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages/ https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages/ You can see the likely weights they used for the three rankings they show this year. As to what it means 100 vs 70.22 means, it means that Python got a higher score under that ranking. It showed up in more places.

valbaca 4y ago

It's comparing apples to turntables. IEEE is a mixed weight of Jobs+Trending. What you linked to is SO's "most loved" where the question asked is: "Which programming, scripting, and markup languages have you done extensive development work in over the past year, and which do you want to work in over the next year? (If you both worked with the language and want to continue to do so, please check both boxes in that row.)" As of now, Rust is beloved, but there are few jobs (outside of crypto grifting), especially relative to the hype and relative to other languages, and most projects are 1-person projects or a handful at most. EDIT: here's a better graph to compare: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technologies-language-prof https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog...