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I've thought about this many times, and my answer is: when there is a massive, at-scale leak of seriously disruptive personal information. Think Google search h

I've thought about this many times, and my answer is: when there is a massive, at-scale leak of seriously disruptive personal information. Think Google search history, medical files, or databases of credit card transactions. When it takes enough peoples' lives off the normal track, people will finally be fed up.

zx85wes 4y ago
The outrage would only be temporary (again). And then things would go back to 'normal'
npc54321 4y ago
npc54321 4y ago
Someone should leak everyone's nudes from google photos/iCloud etc. Including names and everything. That would wake people up.
- buscoquadnary 4y ago
  They did it was the fappenning. The only difference is it happened to celebrities so the police got right on solving that.
  - NetOpWibby 4y ago
    This should be done to politicians that lobby for data brokerages. They only do the correct thing when personally affected.
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      > This should be done to politicians oh c'mon, nobody wants to see that. Send me a goatse [dot] cx link or something more vanilla
    - techsupporter 4y ago
      John Oliver supposedly did just this earlier this year: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-data-brokers https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-ol... But there's been nothing on it since. Given how Oliver's show tends to run, I figure the topic will be back towards the end of the season.
  - npc54321 4y ago
    I know that one happened. But because it was celebrities people just thought "oh it wouldn't happen to me".
eldaisfish 4y ago
The north american credit rating agencies have seen numerous leaks of immensely disruptive personal information. This happened so many times that there are talk show episodes about it. This happened. The vast majority of people do not care or do not have time to care.
gowld 4y ago
John Oliver claimed that he did that 4 months ago -- buying sensitive data about members of Congress, but once he got his YouTube views, he dropped the topic. Controlled opposition. https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy
AndrewKemendo 4y ago
That already happened with the OPM breach in 2015 It seriously messed up people's credit, work life and daily lives. [0] No slow down at all of data gathering. There's been dozens of the exact kind you're describing and nobody cares [1]. [0] https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/articles/2016/06/the-opm-aftermath/ https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/arti... [1] https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/worst-data-breaches-infographic/ https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/wor...
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  Also the Equifax breach seriously messed up people's credit, work life, and daily lives. Given Equifax's one job is to protect people's credit you would have hoped they'd have gotten more than a slap on the wrist of a class action lawsuit. At the very least, you would have expected their clients (banks) to have had trust issues in remaining their clients and something of a long term impact on their revenue. (It's done nothing but grow its revenue since the data breach.)
  - mulmen 4y ago
    What's really rich about the Equifax breach screwing up people's credit is that Equifax also makes up the credit ratings. It's the corporate equivalent of "nice reputation you have there, would be a shame if something happened to it" type of protection racket. And before anyone accuses me of hyperbole remember that Equifax themselves call it "identity theft protection”.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    > Equifax's one job Oh, they've got their hands more pies than credit ratings > Equifax also offers fraud prevention products based on device fingerprinting such as "FraudIQ Authenticate Device." > selling consumer credit and insurance reports and related analytics to businesses in a range of industries. > Equifax sells businesses credit reports, analytics, demographic data, and software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products
openfuture 4y ago
I love how you brought up this meme (which used to be a consensus opinion fwict ~2009) and it immediately got discredit with multiple examples! Clearly this is not a way forward ("waiting for others to be outraged" - guess what? They already are!! You are all just too coward to change your behaviour) we /must/ move to FOSS and p2p, all energy should go towards solving the tragedy of the commons in cyberspace and then the resulting communication structures will help us solve our issues in meatspace. Anything else is just wishful thinking or waiting for the tools to be available from the programmer class.

zx85wes 4y ago

The outrage would only be temporary (again). And then things would go back to 'normal'

npc54321 4y ago

Someone should leak everyone's nudes from google photos/iCloud etc. Including names and everything. That would wake people up.

buscoquadnary 4y ago
They did it was the fappenning. The only difference is it happened to celebrities so the police got right on solving that.
- NetOpWibby 4y ago
  This should be done to politicians that lobby for data brokerages. They only do the correct thing when personally affected.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    > This should be done to politicians oh c'mon, nobody wants to see that. Send me a goatse [dot] cx link or something more vanilla
  - techsupporter 4y ago
    John Oliver supposedly did just this earlier this year: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-data-brokers https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-ol... But there's been nothing on it since. Given how Oliver's show tends to run, I figure the topic will be back towards the end of the season.
- npc54321 4y ago
  I know that one happened. But because it was celebrities people just thought "oh it wouldn't happen to me".

eldaisfish 4y ago

The north american credit rating agencies have seen numerous leaks of immensely disruptive personal information. This happened so many times that there are talk show episodes about it. This happened. The vast majority of people do not care or do not have time to care.

gowld 4y ago

John Oliver claimed that he did that 4 months ago -- buying sensitive data about members of Congress, but once he got his YouTube views, he dropped the topic. Controlled opposition. https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy

AndrewKemendo 4y ago

That already happened with the OPM breach in 2015 It seriously messed up people's credit, work life and daily lives. [0] No slow down at all of data gathering. There's been dozens of the exact kind you're describing and nobody cares [1]. [0] https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/articles/2016/06/the-opm-aftermath/ https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/arti... [1] https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/worst-data-breaches-infographic/ https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/wor...

WorldMaker 4y ago
Also the Equifax breach seriously messed up people's credit, work life, and daily lives. Given Equifax's one job is to protect people's credit you would have hoped they'd have gotten more than a slap on the wrist of a class action lawsuit. At the very least, you would have expected their clients (banks) to have had trust issues in remaining their clients and something of a long term impact on their revenue. (It's done nothing but grow its revenue since the data breach.)
- mulmen 4y ago
  What's really rich about the Equifax breach screwing up people's credit is that Equifax also makes up the credit ratings. It's the corporate equivalent of "nice reputation you have there, would be a shame if something happened to it" type of protection racket. And before anyone accuses me of hyperbole remember that Equifax themselves call it "identity theft protection”.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  > Equifax's one job Oh, they've got their hands more pies than credit ratings > Equifax also offers fraud prevention products based on device fingerprinting such as "FraudIQ Authenticate Device." > selling consumer credit and insurance reports and related analytics to businesses in a range of industries. > Equifax sells businesses credit reports, analytics, demographic data, and software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products

openfuture 4y ago

I love how you brought up this meme (which used to be a consensus opinion fwict ~2009) and it immediately got discredit with multiple examples! Clearly this is not a way forward ("waiting for others to be outraged" - guess what? They already are!! You are all just too coward to change your behaviour) we /must/ move to FOSS and p2p, all energy should go towards solving the tragedy of the commons in cyberspace and then the resulting communication structures will help us solve our issues in meatspace. Anything else is just wishful thinking or waiting for the tools to be available from the programmer class.