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The joke about the $1.39 made me laugh, but it also made me wonder: At what point will there be a tipping point where the pitchforks come out and the general p

The joke about the $1.39 made me laugh, but it also made me wonder: At what point will there be a tipping point where the pitchforks come out and the general public's "patience" with regulation catching up to this crap begins to unravel and actual violence or "direct action" begins to occur against these actors? Because while we're focused on individual political officials actions as a distraction, these types of warehouses are getting bigger and bigger, making more and more money for the owners, and becoming used more and more for malicious activities.

archildress 4y ago
I've thought about this many times, and my answer is: when there is a massive, at-scale leak of seriously disruptive personal information. Think Google search history, medical files, or databases of credit card transactions. When it takes enough peoples' lives off the normal track, people will finally be fed up.
- zx85wes 4y ago
  The outrage would only be temporary (again). And then things would go back to 'normal'
- npc54321 4y ago
- npc54321 4y ago
  Someone should leak everyone's nudes from google photos/iCloud etc. Including names and everything. That would wake people up.
  - buscoquadnary 4y ago
    They did it was the fappenning. The only difference is it happened to celebrities so the police got right on solving that.
    - NetOpWibby 4y ago
      This should be done to politicians that lobby for data brokerages. They only do the correct thing when personally affected.
      - Scoundreller 4y ago
        > This should be done to politicians oh c'mon, nobody wants to see that. Send me a goatse [dot] cx link or something more vanilla
      - techsupporter 4y ago
        John Oliver supposedly did just this earlier this year: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-data-brokers https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-ol... But there's been nothing on it since. Given how Oliver's show tends to run, I figure the topic will be back towards the end of the season.
    - npc54321 4y ago
      I know that one happened. But because it was celebrities people just thought "oh it wouldn't happen to me".
- eldaisfish 4y ago
  The north american credit rating agencies have seen numerous leaks of immensely disruptive personal information. This happened so many times that there are talk show episodes about it. This happened. The vast majority of people do not care or do not have time to care.
- gowld 4y ago
  John Oliver claimed that he did that 4 months ago -- buying sensitive data about members of Congress, but once he got his YouTube views, he dropped the topic. Controlled opposition. https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy
- AndrewKemendo 4y ago
  That already happened with the OPM breach in 2015 It seriously messed up people's credit, work life and daily lives. [0] No slow down at all of data gathering. There's been dozens of the exact kind you're describing and nobody cares [1]. [0] https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/articles/2016/06/the-opm-aftermath/ https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/arti... [1] https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/worst-data-breaches-infographic/ https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/wor...
  - WorldMaker 4y ago
    Also the Equifax breach seriously messed up people's credit, work life, and daily lives. Given Equifax's one job is to protect people's credit you would have hoped they'd have gotten more than a slap on the wrist of a class action lawsuit. At the very least, you would have expected their clients (banks) to have had trust issues in remaining their clients and something of a long term impact on their revenue. (It's done nothing but grow its revenue since the data breach.)
    - mulmen 4y ago
      What's really rich about the Equifax breach screwing up people's credit is that Equifax also makes up the credit ratings. It's the corporate equivalent of "nice reputation you have there, would be a shame if something happened to it" type of protection racket. And before anyone accuses me of hyperbole remember that Equifax themselves call it "identity theft protection”.
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      > Equifax's one job Oh, they've got their hands more pies than credit ratings > Equifax also offers fraud prevention products based on device fingerprinting such as "FraudIQ Authenticate Device." > selling consumer credit and insurance reports and related analytics to businesses in a range of industries. > Equifax sells businesses credit reports, analytics, demographic data, and software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products
- openfuture 4y ago
  I love how you brought up this meme (which used to be a consensus opinion fwict ~2009) and it immediately got discredit with multiple examples! Clearly this is not a way forward ("waiting for others to be outraged" - guess what? They already are!! You are all just too coward to change your behaviour) we /must/ move to FOSS and p2p, all energy should go towards solving the tragedy of the commons in cyberspace and then the resulting communication structures will help us solve our issues in meatspace. Anything else is just wishful thinking or waiting for the tools to be available from the programmer class.
winternett 4y ago
The best way for us as individuals to regain power and protest over misuse and collection of our data is to defiantly and deliberately "corrupt" that ill gotten data... Go into really kinky sex shops and just browse around... Go to Chuck E Cheese and crash a kid's birthday party and jump in the ball pit (especially if you don't have kids). Buy diabetic socks, especially when you don't need them, or even lingerie for the opposite gender from Target. Host wild phone conversations with your friends in a nonsensical language, and do it as much as possible... Cover your front phone camera with black tape when it's not in use... Talk frequently about the opposite of what your real plans are directly into every microphone placed on every Internet connected device... Never use the same password you use on important resources for social media... Adopt a great new pseudonym, and never verify yourself on any of your social media accounts, they can't demand that info, they're not the Government. Hack the planet. :P
- Banana699 4y ago
  > lingerie for the opposite gender There is... there is lingerie for men ??
  - edent 4y ago
    Yes? Boys aren't restricted to superhero underoos and boxer shorts you know!
    - winternett 4y ago
      Underoos! now that's a blast from the past!! Hah!
    - Banana699 4y ago
      God I hate the internet.
  - winternett 4y ago
    Anything is possible in Pennsylvania... Trust me (worth the downvotes, and I don't really live in PA mind you) :P
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> what point will there be a tipping point where the pitchforks come out and the general public's "patience" with regulation catching up to this crap begins to unravel and actual violence or "direct action" begins to occur against these actors? There is no public consensus on this. American voters are fine with free, ad-supported software. They’re fine with surveillance in exchange for convenience. They likely don’t understand the cost. Personally or systemically. But a combination of digital-privacy thought leaders (a) overlapping with communities embracing political nihilism, (b) experiencing a filter bubble where popular support is perceived where there is none and (c) having been corrupted (politically speaking) by crypto has stymied policy progress. There are no pitchforks. There is no angry mob. To the degree there is consensus overseas, it arises from nationalism with respect to security (India) or competitiveness (Europe).
- winternett 4y ago
  > There are no pitchforks. There is no angry mob. To the degree there is consensus overseas, they arise from nationalist impulses with respect to security (India) or competitiveness (Europe). If only the "anti-vax" mob could have been motivated towards upholding Internet privacy... We'd perhaps have a far more relevant and meaningful protest in the U.S.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > if only the "anti-vax" mob could have been motivated towards upholding Internet privacy They’re a natural demographic! But connecting to them requires showmanship, crossing a partisan line for some, and bridging to the anti-Big Tech crowd. No easy work.
- sillystuff 4y ago
  > There are no pitchforks. There is no angry mob. This is true. Even Snowden's revelations didn't have much effect outside of tech circles. US congress even got away with passing a law to retroactively make some of the revealed illegal spying on Americans legal. The public either does not care or feels impotent. Governments love corporate surveillance as it allows them a source of data without having to worry about scrutiny they might face by collecting the data directly. It feels hopeless that surveillance capitalism will ever be able to be reigned in.
Spooky23 4y ago
Never. Because we’ve allowed media to become entertainment and the internet killed print, and as a society we’ve lost the ability to sway the population with anything approaching fact.
- bornfreddy 4y ago
  Never, and there never was. Media always was entertainment. Internet is just print v2.0. As a society, we never were able to sway the population with facts. If you look at the history you will see the same things happening over and over again. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for what is right, just don't be discouraged if the effect is less than desired.
mindslight 4y ago
The pitchforks are already out, as part of the larger anti- technocratic/bureaucracy movement. Unfortunately, as that movement has gained popularity, its energy has been captured by Trumpism with its siren song of simplistic not-even-wrong answers. I'm not singling out Trumpism here, despite its seemingly exceptional virulence. Basically every political movement gets coopted and neutered this way in the US, once it gains enough popularity. There's money to be made, after all.
- hcmacro 4y ago
  Worth Googling "Larry Ellison Trump" or "Safra Catz Trump"

archildress 4y ago

I've thought about this many times, and my answer is: when there is a massive, at-scale leak of seriously disruptive personal information. Think Google search history, medical files, or databases of credit card transactions. When it takes enough peoples' lives off the normal track, people will finally be fed up.

zx85wes 4y ago
The outrage would only be temporary (again). And then things would go back to 'normal'
npc54321 4y ago
npc54321 4y ago
Someone should leak everyone's nudes from google photos/iCloud etc. Including names and everything. That would wake people up.
- buscoquadnary 4y ago
  They did it was the fappenning. The only difference is it happened to celebrities so the police got right on solving that.
  - NetOpWibby 4y ago
    This should be done to politicians that lobby for data brokerages. They only do the correct thing when personally affected.
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      > This should be done to politicians oh c'mon, nobody wants to see that. Send me a goatse [dot] cx link or something more vanilla
    - techsupporter 4y ago
      John Oliver supposedly did just this earlier this year: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-data-brokers https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/11/john-ol... But there's been nothing on it since. Given how Oliver's show tends to run, I figure the topic will be back towards the end of the season.
  - npc54321 4y ago
    I know that one happened. But because it was celebrities people just thought "oh it wouldn't happen to me".
eldaisfish 4y ago
The north american credit rating agencies have seen numerous leaks of immensely disruptive personal information. This happened so many times that there are talk show episodes about it. This happened. The vast majority of people do not care or do not have time to care.
gowld 4y ago
John Oliver claimed that he did that 4 months ago -- buying sensitive data about members of Congress, but once he got his YouTube views, he dropped the topic. Controlled opposition. https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy https://google.com/search?q=john+oliver+privacy
AndrewKemendo 4y ago
That already happened with the OPM breach in 2015 It seriously messed up people's credit, work life and daily lives. [0] No slow down at all of data gathering. There's been dozens of the exact kind you're describing and nobody cares [1]. [0] https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/articles/2016/06/the-opm-aftermath/ https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/arti... [1] https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/worst-data-breaches-infographic/ https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/information-technology/wor...
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  Also the Equifax breach seriously messed up people's credit, work life, and daily lives. Given Equifax's one job is to protect people's credit you would have hoped they'd have gotten more than a slap on the wrist of a class action lawsuit. At the very least, you would have expected their clients (banks) to have had trust issues in remaining their clients and something of a long term impact on their revenue. (It's done nothing but grow its revenue since the data breach.)
  - mulmen 4y ago
    What's really rich about the Equifax breach screwing up people's credit is that Equifax also makes up the credit ratings. It's the corporate equivalent of "nice reputation you have there, would be a shame if something happened to it" type of protection racket. And before anyone accuses me of hyperbole remember that Equifax themselves call it "identity theft protection”.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    > Equifax's one job Oh, they've got their hands more pies than credit ratings > Equifax also offers fraud prevention products based on device fingerprinting such as "FraudIQ Authenticate Device." > selling consumer credit and insurance reports and related analytics to businesses in a range of industries. > Equifax sells businesses credit reports, analytics, demographic data, and software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equifax#Products
openfuture 4y ago
I love how you brought up this meme (which used to be a consensus opinion fwict ~2009) and it immediately got discredit with multiple examples! Clearly this is not a way forward ("waiting for others to be outraged" - guess what? They already are!! You are all just too coward to change your behaviour) we /must/ move to FOSS and p2p, all energy should go towards solving the tragedy of the commons in cyberspace and then the resulting communication structures will help us solve our issues in meatspace. Anything else is just wishful thinking or waiting for the tools to be available from the programmer class.

winternett 4y ago

The best way for us as individuals to regain power and protest over misuse and collection of our data is to defiantly and deliberately "corrupt" that ill gotten data... Go into really kinky sex shops and just browse around... Go to Chuck E Cheese and crash a kid's birthday party and jump in the ball pit (especially if you don't have kids). Buy diabetic socks, especially when you don't need them, or even lingerie for the opposite gender from Target. Host wild phone conversations with your friends in a nonsensical language, and do it as much as possible... Cover your front phone camera with black tape when it's not in use... Talk frequently about the opposite of what your real plans are directly into every microphone placed on every Internet connected device... Never use the same password you use on important resources for social media... Adopt a great new pseudonym, and never verify yourself on any of your social media accounts, they can't demand that info, they're not the Government. Hack the planet. :P

Banana699 4y ago
> lingerie for the opposite gender There is... there is lingerie for men ??
- edent 4y ago
  Yes? Boys aren't restricted to superhero underoos and boxer shorts you know!
  - winternett 4y ago
    Underoos! now that's a blast from the past!! Hah!
  - Banana699 4y ago
    God I hate the internet.
- winternett 4y ago
  Anything is possible in Pennsylvania... Trust me (worth the downvotes, and I don't really live in PA mind you) :P

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> what point will there be a tipping point where the pitchforks come out and the general public's "patience" with regulation catching up to this crap begins to unravel and actual violence or "direct action" begins to occur against these actors? There is no public consensus on this. American voters are fine with free, ad-supported software. They’re fine with surveillance in exchange for convenience. They likely don’t understand the cost. Personally or systemically. But a combination of digital-privacy thought leaders (a) overlapping with communities embracing political nihilism, (b) experiencing a filter bubble where popular support is perceived where there is none and (c) having been corrupted (politically speaking) by crypto has stymied policy progress. There are no pitchforks. There is no angry mob. To the degree there is consensus overseas, it arises from nationalism with respect to security (India) or competitiveness (Europe).

winternett 4y ago
> There are no pitchforks. There is no angry mob. To the degree there is consensus overseas, they arise from nationalist impulses with respect to security (India) or competitiveness (Europe). If only the "anti-vax" mob could have been motivated towards upholding Internet privacy... We'd perhaps have a far more relevant and meaningful protest in the U.S.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > if only the "anti-vax" mob could have been motivated towards upholding Internet privacy They’re a natural demographic! But connecting to them requires showmanship, crossing a partisan line for some, and bridging to the anti-Big Tech crowd. No easy work.
sillystuff 4y ago
> There are no pitchforks. There is no angry mob. This is true. Even Snowden's revelations didn't have much effect outside of tech circles. US congress even got away with passing a law to retroactively make some of the revealed illegal spying on Americans legal. The public either does not care or feels impotent. Governments love corporate surveillance as it allows them a source of data without having to worry about scrutiny they might face by collecting the data directly. It feels hopeless that surveillance capitalism will ever be able to be reigned in.

Spooky23 4y ago

Never. Because we’ve allowed media to become entertainment and the internet killed print, and as a society we’ve lost the ability to sway the population with anything approaching fact.

bornfreddy 4y ago
Never, and there never was. Media always was entertainment. Internet is just print v2.0. As a society, we never were able to sway the population with facts. If you look at the history you will see the same things happening over and over again. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for what is right, just don't be discouraged if the effect is less than desired.

mindslight 4y ago

The pitchforks are already out, as part of the larger anti- technocratic/bureaucracy movement. Unfortunately, as that movement has gained popularity, its energy has been captured by Trumpism with its siren song of simplistic not-even-wrong answers. I'm not singling out Trumpism here, despite its seemingly exceptional virulence. Basically every political movement gets coopted and neutered this way in the US, once it gains enough popularity. There's money to be made, after all.

hcmacro 4y ago
Worth Googling "Larry Ellison Trump" or "Safra Catz Trump"