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Germany has taken 900,000 refugees. Why not send them to a similarly sized U.S. state and watch the reactions? U.S. citizens already complain about gas prices

by fkall 4y ago

Germany has taken 900,000 refugees. Why not send them to a similarly sized U.S. state and watch the reactions? U.S. citizens already complain about gas prices (which are still much lower than in Europe). How about raising them the European prices and see if they still virtue signal? As usual, the U.S. supports a war and Europe pays for it.

nradov 4y ago
How would you propose to end the war? Who do you think should pay for it, and how should they pay?
btilly 4y ago
> As usual, the U.S. supports a war and Europe pays for it. This is somewhere between extremely biased and dead wrong. According to https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/ https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s..., the USA is spending more to support Ukraine than Europe both in absolute dollars, and as a share of GDP. (Various eastern European countries are pulling their weight. The western ones, aren't.) Of course that is tracking money sent to Ukraine. Refugees are a cost mostly borne by Europe. According to https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/39775/hosting-ukrainian-refugees-could-cost-eu-over-%E2%82%AC40-billion-euros https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/39775/hosting-ukrainian..., the cost of refugees for a year is on par with what the USA is sending to Ukraine. This would take Europe's share above the USA. But if you're going to include that, you should note that Germany alone spends about $20 billion year less on its own defense than it committed to spending by being part of NATO. (Germany spends about 1.5% of GDP and promised to spend 2%. It is hardly alone.) Given decades of Europe freeloading off of American generosity, paying for the refugee crisis doesn't even begin to balance the scales.
glogla 4y ago
There is something funny about 1 day old account with pre-canned anti-US talking points. I am in Eastern Europe and US has been a great ally doing everything they can to keep us safe from Russian aggression, while Germany would watch us get raped and murdered and enslaved and do nothing. As for refugees, Poland, Romania and Slovakia have taken several millions of them despite being poor compared to rich Germany.

by fkall 4y ago

nradov 4y ago

How would you propose to end the war? Who do you think should pay for it, and how should they pay?

btilly 4y ago

> As usual, the U.S. supports a war and Europe pays for it. This is somewhere between extremely biased and dead wrong. According to https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/ https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s..., the USA is spending more to support Ukraine than Europe both in absolute dollars, and as a share of GDP. (Various eastern European countries are pulling their weight. The western ones, aren't.) Of course that is tracking money sent to Ukraine. Refugees are a cost mostly borne by Europe. According to https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/39775/hosting-ukrainian-refugees-could-cost-eu-over-%E2%82%AC40-billion-euros https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/39775/hosting-ukrainian..., the cost of refugees for a year is on par with what the USA is sending to Ukraine. This would take Europe's share above the USA. But if you're going to include that, you should note that Germany alone spends about $20 billion year less on its own defense than it committed to spending by being part of NATO. (Germany spends about 1.5% of GDP and promised to spend 2%. It is hardly alone.) Given decades of Europe freeloading off of American generosity, paying for the refugee crisis doesn't even begin to balance the scales.

glogla 4y ago

There is something funny about 1 day old account with pre-canned anti-US talking points. I am in Eastern Europe and US has been a great ally doing everything they can to keep us safe from Russian aggression, while Germany would watch us get raped and murdered and enslaved and do nothing. As for refugees, Poland, Romania and Slovakia have taken several millions of them despite being poor compared to rich Germany.