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That's the propaganda Khan, who was extremely unpopular with both the army and the public, was pushing. The real reason his PM career was untenable was because

That's the propaganda Khan, who was extremely unpopular with both the army and the public, was pushing. The real reason his PM career was untenable was because (a) he pissed off the Pakistani military by threatening to unilaterally replace the military leader, whose support was the only reason he became PM in the first place, and (b) his party appointed some virtual unknown and definite incompetent (who was a friend of his wife's) as the leader of the Punjab province which has over 50% of the population of Pakistan. His latter action also angered members of his own party and members of his alliance that saw their own political careers threatened because he took such politically poor actions with half the country's population. Finally, what would have been astonishing is if Imran Khan (or anyone for that matter), would have completed his term. He would have been the first PM to do so in Pakistan's history. It really doesn't require a conspiracy theory centered around America to explain something that is the norm in Pakistan.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
> Khan, who was extremely unpopular with both the army and the public, If everybody hates him, then censoring him is pointless. I don't know anything about any of these people or parties but what you're saying doesn't pass my sniff test.
- asdajksah2123 4y ago
  Censoring him was dumb (this isn't the first time the succeeding govt censored him). They've really made a hash of it and allowed him to become a martyr. He was unpopular. Here's a poll from when the no-confidence vote passed (Bloomberg referencing Gallup Pakistan polling). https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-13/majority-of-pakistanis-supported-imran-khan-s-ouster-poll-shows https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-13/majority-... That being said, the only thing that matters isn't just overall support. The groups supporting also matter. And even though Khan had minority support, he has support among the extreme religious right of Pakistan, who are organized enough to shut down the country and motivated enough that they would do that even if it costs damage and lives.
  - BeetleB 4y ago
    The poll you cite doesn't support your earlier claim that he was "extremely unpopular". He may not have had over 50% of the public's support, but his support was near that level. By your own reference, 43% were upset at his removal.
    - addicted 4y ago
      57 > 43. And this is talking about removing an incumbent. Incumbents almost alway have a political edge. No one wants to throw out an incumbent until things are really bad. That’s a -14 rating.
      - BeetleB 4y ago
        > 57 > 43. Acknowledged in my original comment. A -14 difference does not make him "extremely unpopular". Merely less than a majority. A 43% rating is higher than Biden has, but no one would say he is "extremely unpopular". And then there's the fact that it's a -14 difference between his party and everyone else. Given that "everyone else" includes two other major parties, it's pretty much a given that his party has more support than any other party. In comparison: - In the last Canadian elections, no party got over 34%. In the last 20 years, no party even got 40%. - In the last UK elections, Boris Johnson got just over 43%. And only once in the last 20 years did someone get more than that. If IK's party really had 44% of the public's support, they will likely win any election.
- waqasx 4y ago
  he is massively popular, which is the reason the govt isnt going towards elections. This WSJ articles sums it up pretty well: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ousted-pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-faces-arrest-on-terror-charge-11661190203 https://www.wsj.com/articles/ousted-pakistan-prime-minister-...
- wawjgreen 4y ago
  are you a dog ;)
kache_ 4y ago
This information is true
waqasx 4y ago
That is completely untrue. His party has won all elections by landslide since he was removed in this regime change. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/22/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-anti-terror-law-investigation-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/22/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-anti...]
- abdullahkhalids 4y ago
  The elections you refer to had PTI winning 46% of the vote, while PMLN won 39% of the vote. This is far too small a difference to be characterized as a landslide, even if this difference resulted in a 15-5 seat split, given that the winning party has less than 50% of the votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Punjab_provincial_by-election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Punjab_provincial_by-elec...
_em_ 4y ago
>>> who was extremely unpopular with both the army and the public Bro, if you want to lie, at least lie at something which can’t be countered by other sources. Among all the leaders atm, khan is the most popular one. Ever since he was ousted, he has been calling rallies and people are coming out for him. He has pulled biggest crowd in pakistan history. All can be seen on YouTube. I can’t even read rest of your comment given that I already know that either you are very disconnected from reality or you have some other motive to discredit khan.
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  > He has pulled biggest crowd in pakistan history. All can be seen on YouTube. This is the same flawed argument that US Republicans use on why Trump couldn't have gotten 46.9% of the 2020 popular vote, but he did, and is thus, unpopular.
renewiltord 4y ago
This is at least partly true. Pakistan is mostly ruled by the military so keeping them happy is important. That's the actual power centre there. Prime Ministers of Pakistan don't usually manage to serve out their term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Pakistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Pak...
isr 4y ago
I know this kind of reply may trigger a harsh response from HN mods, but this really needs to be said. You are lying through your teeth. The plain facts, in no particular order: 1. Imran Khan's party had much larger support in 2013 elections, and that support was suppressed via election rigging. Its impossible to really say wether he would won an outright majority then (probably not), but who knows 2. In 2018, there was massive rigging to ensure that Imran Khan would NOT win an outright parliamentary majority. This was admitted to, PLAIN AS DAY, by one of the crooks who is currently "defence minister" (what a joke). He openly and plainly admitted that he was losing during the count in his constiuency, he picked up the phone and complained to the army chief, and lo and behold - the remaining count miracoulusly went in his favour. Multiple other examples like this. THE ONLY REASON that the previous opposition were complaining about rigging is because, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, they were handicapped in rigging in their own favour,in their own localities. 3. Imran Khan was extremely unpopular with the public? Complete hogwash. BEFORE HE EVEN MENTIONED THE US INVOLVEMENT, he held a number of political rallies, in the last week of his premiership. One such rally resulted in A MILLION PEOPLE coming to Islamabad. A MILLION NEW CELL PHONE NUMBERS were registered in the Islamabad area by telco's during that weekend So there goes your entire narrative that you were trying to falsely push.
- addicted 4y ago
  Interesting that you would claim I’m lying while I provide links to prove by numbers while you don’t. The best you have is 2013 numbers to make claims about a 2020+ situation. I don’t think I need to say anything else to prove your lies. What a joke. What reasonable person would point to 2013 numbers to justify their claims about a 2022 election.
  - jiggawatts 4y ago
    It's a vicarious sort of fun to come across a political debate in which I'm a complete outsider with no prior knowledge, no position, and no bias. It's like watching a loud public domestic argument between people you've never seen before and never will again.
  - isr 4y ago

MichaelCollins 4y ago

> Khan, who was extremely unpopular with both the army and the public, If everybody hates him, then censoring him is pointless. I don't know anything about any of these people or parties but what you're saying doesn't pass my sniff test.

asdajksah2123 4y ago
Censoring him was dumb (this isn't the first time the succeeding govt censored him). They've really made a hash of it and allowed him to become a martyr. He was unpopular. Here's a poll from when the no-confidence vote passed (Bloomberg referencing Gallup Pakistan polling). https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-13/majority-of-pakistanis-supported-imran-khan-s-ouster-poll-shows https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-13/majority-... That being said, the only thing that matters isn't just overall support. The groups supporting also matter. And even though Khan had minority support, he has support among the extreme religious right of Pakistan, who are organized enough to shut down the country and motivated enough that they would do that even if it costs damage and lives.
- BeetleB 4y ago
  The poll you cite doesn't support your earlier claim that he was "extremely unpopular". He may not have had over 50% of the public's support, but his support was near that level. By your own reference, 43% were upset at his removal.
  - addicted 4y ago
    57 > 43. And this is talking about removing an incumbent. Incumbents almost alway have a political edge. No one wants to throw out an incumbent until things are really bad. That’s a -14 rating.
    - BeetleB 4y ago
      > 57 > 43. Acknowledged in my original comment. A -14 difference does not make him "extremely unpopular". Merely less than a majority. A 43% rating is higher than Biden has, but no one would say he is "extremely unpopular". And then there's the fact that it's a -14 difference between his party and everyone else. Given that "everyone else" includes two other major parties, it's pretty much a given that his party has more support than any other party. In comparison: - In the last Canadian elections, no party got over 34%. In the last 20 years, no party even got 40%. - In the last UK elections, Boris Johnson got just over 43%. And only once in the last 20 years did someone get more than that. If IK's party really had 44% of the public's support, they will likely win any election.
waqasx 4y ago
he is massively popular, which is the reason the govt isnt going towards elections. This WSJ articles sums it up pretty well: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ousted-pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-faces-arrest-on-terror-charge-11661190203 https://www.wsj.com/articles/ousted-pakistan-prime-minister-...
wawjgreen 4y ago
are you a dog ;)

kache_ 4y ago

This information is true

waqasx 4y ago

That is completely untrue. His party has won all elections by landslide since he was removed in this regime change. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/22/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-anti-terror-law-investigation-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/22/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-anti...]

abdullahkhalids 4y ago
The elections you refer to had PTI winning 46% of the vote, while PMLN won 39% of the vote. This is far too small a difference to be characterized as a landslide, even if this difference resulted in a 15-5 seat split, given that the winning party has less than 50% of the votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Punjab_provincial_by-election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Punjab_provincial_by-elec...

_em_ 4y ago

>>> who was extremely unpopular with both the army and the public Bro, if you want to lie, at least lie at something which can’t be countered by other sources. Among all the leaders atm, khan is the most popular one. Ever since he was ousted, he has been calling rallies and people are coming out for him. He has pulled biggest crowd in pakistan history. All can be seen on YouTube. I can’t even read rest of your comment given that I already know that either you are very disconnected from reality or you have some other motive to discredit khan.

throwaway_4ever 4y ago
> He has pulled biggest crowd in pakistan history. All can be seen on YouTube. This is the same flawed argument that US Republicans use on why Trump couldn't have gotten 46.9% of the 2020 popular vote, but he did, and is thus, unpopular.

renewiltord 4y ago

This is at least partly true. Pakistan is mostly ruled by the military so keeping them happy is important. That's the actual power centre there. Prime Ministers of Pakistan don't usually manage to serve out their term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Pakistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Pak...

isr 4y ago

I know this kind of reply may trigger a harsh response from HN mods, but this really needs to be said. You are lying through your teeth. The plain facts, in no particular order: 1. Imran Khan's party had much larger support in 2013 elections, and that support was suppressed via election rigging. Its impossible to really say wether he would won an outright majority then (probably not), but who knows 2. In 2018, there was massive rigging to ensure that Imran Khan would NOT win an outright parliamentary majority. This was admitted to, PLAIN AS DAY, by one of the crooks who is currently "defence minister" (what a joke). He openly and plainly admitted that he was losing during the count in his constiuency, he picked up the phone and complained to the army chief, and lo and behold - the remaining count miracoulusly went in his favour. Multiple other examples like this. THE ONLY REASON that the previous opposition were complaining about rigging is because, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, they were handicapped in rigging in their own favour,in their own localities. 3. Imran Khan was extremely unpopular with the public? Complete hogwash. BEFORE HE EVEN MENTIONED THE US INVOLVEMENT, he held a number of political rallies, in the last week of his premiership. One such rally resulted in A MILLION PEOPLE coming to Islamabad. A MILLION NEW CELL PHONE NUMBERS were registered in the Islamabad area by telco's during that weekend So there goes your entire narrative that you were trying to falsely push.

addicted 4y ago
Interesting that you would claim I’m lying while I provide links to prove by numbers while you don’t. The best you have is 2013 numbers to make claims about a 2020+ situation. I don’t think I need to say anything else to prove your lies. What a joke. What reasonable person would point to 2013 numbers to justify their claims about a 2022 election.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  It's a vicarious sort of fun to come across a political debate in which I'm a complete outsider with no prior knowledge, no position, and no bias. It's like watching a loud public domestic argument between people you've never seen before and never will again.
- isr 4y ago