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> Politics will be influenced. You can't trust anything you see anymore I've been wondering for a while now if this will lead to an unexpected boon: perhaps pe

> Politics will be influenced. You can't trust anything you see anymore I've been wondering for a while now if this will lead to an unexpected boon: perhaps people will be forced to pay attention to a speaker's content instead of simply who is speaking.

dbingham 4y ago
The problem with this is that you will never know who is actually speaking. Deep fakes are already a thing, but as they get better and more accessible we will approach a world where anyone can make anyone say anything and make it hyper believable. In that world, it will be very difficult to tell what is real.
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- bluejellybean 4y ago
  My personal hunch is that this will end up leading to a situation in which presenters do a cryptographic handshake that works to verify and prove authenticity. This isn't a new idea, and it has some very obvious drawbacks, but I don't see much of a way around the issue. The handshake could work great for something like official news releases, but for other instances that might come up in court, say, dash cam footage of an accident, it seems to me that the legal system is going to face some serious issues as these programs progress.
  - nelsondev 4y ago
    Looking forward to a future where all a politician’s quotes are on a blockchain, signed by their private key, and they chose to do so voluntarily out of fear of deep fakes. Will remove all the useless “I didn’t say that”
    - dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
      Do politicians understand blockchains?
      - nelsondev 4y ago
        Rename it as “verified speech transcripts.” I don’t need to understand video codecs to watch Youtube.
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Neither do we[1], so it's sort of a mixed bag. 1. True for an overwhelming majority of the body politic.
    - swader999 4y ago
      That's a start! I think their video appearances should be like a car in NASCAR with permanently displayed logos superimposed from all the interests that have funded their rise.
    - marak830 4y ago
      It will end up back where we started, "it's not on the Blockchain so I didn't say it", while making racist remarks with friends.
      - sangnoir 4y ago
        "We verified the validity of our source's signature and vouch for it's authenticity" - Journalist from a respected newsroom, when they choose to keep the source confidential. So it won't be better or worse than it is now: all about transitive reputation. The unspoken threat to further denials is the risk that the source may go public, or if unauthorized, doxxing the person who recorded the video (assuming signatures have nonrepudiation)
    - astrange 4y ago
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/09/05/what-even-is-verrit-the-news-source-endorsed-by-hillary-clinton/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/09...
edouard-harris 4y ago
Unfortunately a speaker's content can also be auto-generated now, at least for brief enough snippets. And that means the content can (and will) be optimized to appeal to a target segment much more than has ever been previously possible.

dbingham 4y ago

The problem with this is that you will never know who is actually speaking. Deep fakes are already a thing, but as they get better and more accessible we will approach a world where anyone can make anyone say anything and make it hyper believable. In that world, it will be very difficult to tell what is real.

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bluejellybean 4y ago
My personal hunch is that this will end up leading to a situation in which presenters do a cryptographic handshake that works to verify and prove authenticity. This isn't a new idea, and it has some very obvious drawbacks, but I don't see much of a way around the issue. The handshake could work great for something like official news releases, but for other instances that might come up in court, say, dash cam footage of an accident, it seems to me that the legal system is going to face some serious issues as these programs progress.
- nelsondev 4y ago
  Looking forward to a future where all a politician’s quotes are on a blockchain, signed by their private key, and they chose to do so voluntarily out of fear of deep fakes. Will remove all the useless “I didn’t say that”
  - dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
    Do politicians understand blockchains?
    - nelsondev 4y ago
      Rename it as “verified speech transcripts.” I don’t need to understand video codecs to watch Youtube.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      Neither do we[1], so it's sort of a mixed bag. 1. True for an overwhelming majority of the body politic.
  - swader999 4y ago
    That's a start! I think their video appearances should be like a car in NASCAR with permanently displayed logos superimposed from all the interests that have funded their rise.
  - marak830 4y ago
    It will end up back where we started, "it's not on the Blockchain so I didn't say it", while making racist remarks with friends.
    - sangnoir 4y ago
      "We verified the validity of our source's signature and vouch for it's authenticity" - Journalist from a respected newsroom, when they choose to keep the source confidential. So it won't be better or worse than it is now: all about transitive reputation. The unspoken threat to further denials is the risk that the source may go public, or if unauthorized, doxxing the person who recorded the video (assuming signatures have nonrepudiation)
  - astrange 4y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/09/05/what-even-is-verrit-the-news-source-endorsed-by-hillary-clinton/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/09...

edouard-harris 4y ago

Unfortunately a speaker's content can also be auto-generated now, at least for brief enough snippets. And that means the content can (and will) be optimized to appeal to a target segment much more than has ever been previously possible.