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Honestly, one bottle of beer turns me from a chronically melancholic and outright boring person, to a functioning, social human being. So, I call BS.

russelldjimmy 4y ago
You should join the Inebriati! https://youtu.be/-Zj50DmBFp0 https://youtu.be/-Zj50DmBFp0
beebmam 4y ago
What specifically is BS in the video? Could you be specific?
- wheelerof4te 4y ago
  The fact that alcohol is sold in stores en masse, but it's somehow so bad that it kills cells? If it is so bad, why isn't it banned in every country in the world? Beer is even considered food in some countries. I don't see any evidence for his theories mentioned in the video.
  - Mtinie 4y ago
    Alcohol as a “cultural lubricant” has been with us for as long as humans have had oral histories passed down. The alcoholic beverage lobbies around the world are politically powerful and have very entrenched interests within countries. The United States attempted to ban it during Prohibition. That social experiment lasted 13 years before it was repealed. If you’d like to understand what makes your proposal for a unilateral ban challenging in practice, understanding why Prohibition ultimately reverted to the previous status quo is a good starting point.
    - mbg721 4y ago
      One reason why Prohibition didn't work (and why alcohol has been culturally significant for so long) is that alcoholic beverages are ridiculously easy to make. If you have fruit or grain, a container, and some time...
      - Mtinie 4y ago
        Attempting to regulate alcohol, as you note, is a fool’s errand. Regulation isn’t the answer. It will take centuries of messaging and a shift in consumption patterns before it’s not profitable to commercially produce. Possibly.
  - patrick451 4y ago
    > The fact that alcohol is sold in stores en masse, but it's somehow so bad that it kills cells? If you think that mass availability is an indicator of safety, I have carton of Marlboros to sell you.
    - phendrenad2 4y ago
      Pretty sure my washcloth has killed more of my skin cells than alcohol has.
jjulius 4y ago
>Honestly, one bottle of beer turns me from a chronically melancholic and outright boring person, to a functioning, social human being. >So, I call BS. You, not others. You, who is but one single data point in a vast sea of data points.
- hellisothers 4y ago
  Many of the comments here are making universal claims “for our species”, pointing out this isn’t the case “for me” is a reasonable refutation that doesn’t require belaboring the point that it is for the person.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    The original piece that this entire thread is about links to multiple studies that support it's claims. OP's comment just says, "Well, I don't experience this, so I call BS". Sure, you don't, and that's fine (I'm happy that them and others in this thread have different experiences - good for them!), but that doesn't mean that we, nor even yourself, should immediately dismiss it entirely.
- 2-718-281-828 4y ago
  you and your "data points" are in need of a bottle of beer I suppose
  - jjulius 4y ago
    I'm an alcoholic, but thanks. Care to eschew your sarcasm and have a discussion about why we should use how OP's body responds to alcohol as the primary reason to cast this entire article (that came with cited studies) as "bullshit"? Because that's all my point was.
    - 2-718-281-828 4y ago
      well then no beer for you - I understood wheel's point as mostly hinting at alcohol serving a purpose as a social lubricant. and that's pretty established and well-observable. doesn't form an imperative, though. to call "BS" on the podcast's content is of course a bit over the top.
Mtinie 4y ago
Congratulations. You’ve found your ideal dosage for your unique situation. For many of us, one drink leads to more drinks at which point the physiological and psychological changes covered in the linked article become amplified.
- soco 4y ago
  The problem with the discussion is, most people here against alcohol sound to me like vegans. I mean, unable to discuss the "I only drink twice a week a beer" argument. To them even touching alcohol makes one a drunk-driver-wife-beater, deserving no less than high tower scorn. Not very helpful for an argument...
  - PretzelPirate 4y ago
    > … most people here against alcohol sound to me like vegans. There’s a pretty big difference. Most people who drink don’t harm another living being, while those who eat animal products are supporting harm towards animals. I understand the vegan perspective but not the perspective of the use who criticize causal drinking.
    - Koshkin 4y ago
      > harm towards animals Killing perceived as causing “harm” (or not) is a somewhat non-trivial philosophical question. In an important sense, death is a social construct. From this point of view, the importance of one’s staying alive is measured by the impact on the society (starting with their family). The life of a chicken, therefore, doesn’t matter, with the exception when it is a pet. (At the same time, the life of a hen who is raising a flock of chicks is important.)
      - PretzelPirate 4y ago
        That’s quite a reductive view to justify hurting a living being. Harm literally means “ physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted” and a chicken whose throat is slit is clearly harmed. Animals don’t die instantly and it’s unreasonable to say “we aren’t harming a chicane by killing them if they didn’t produce value to society.” I’d expect humans to have more empathy and not try or reason their way into needlessly killing a creature who doesn’t want to die.
npwr 4y ago
Sounds like you're depressed and automedicating. But alcohol will only make you more depressed in the long run.
- wheelerof4te 4y ago
  No, it's just stress and anxiety. Also, my motor skills are bad so I literally can't relax, even if I want to. Low dose of alcohol helps my hands and upper torso relax.
  - boplicity 4y ago
    You're medicating for stress and anxiety? That's another common way people start evolving alcoholics. Don't self medicate. It's dangerous and can lead to alcoholism. Far better to seek appropriate care from a professional.
joekrill 4y ago
Something can give that perception and still be incredibly bad for you and do all the things described in this video. They aren't mutually exclusive.
kennedywm 4y ago
Relying on booze to have a personality is where a lot of alcoholics start out. Not saying this is you, but it's worth keeping in mind if one beer starts becoming more.

russelldjimmy 4y ago

You should join the Inebriati! https://youtu.be/-Zj50DmBFp0 https://youtu.be/-Zj50DmBFp0

beebmam 4y ago

What specifically is BS in the video? Could you be specific?

wheelerof4te 4y ago
The fact that alcohol is sold in stores en masse, but it's somehow so bad that it kills cells? If it is so bad, why isn't it banned in every country in the world? Beer is even considered food in some countries. I don't see any evidence for his theories mentioned in the video.
- Mtinie 4y ago
  Alcohol as a “cultural lubricant” has been with us for as long as humans have had oral histories passed down. The alcoholic beverage lobbies around the world are politically powerful and have very entrenched interests within countries. The United States attempted to ban it during Prohibition. That social experiment lasted 13 years before it was repealed. If you’d like to understand what makes your proposal for a unilateral ban challenging in practice, understanding why Prohibition ultimately reverted to the previous status quo is a good starting point.
  - mbg721 4y ago
    One reason why Prohibition didn't work (and why alcohol has been culturally significant for so long) is that alcoholic beverages are ridiculously easy to make. If you have fruit or grain, a container, and some time...
    - Mtinie 4y ago
      Attempting to regulate alcohol, as you note, is a fool’s errand. Regulation isn’t the answer. It will take centuries of messaging and a shift in consumption patterns before it’s not profitable to commercially produce. Possibly.
- patrick451 4y ago
  > The fact that alcohol is sold in stores en masse, but it's somehow so bad that it kills cells? If you think that mass availability is an indicator of safety, I have carton of Marlboros to sell you.
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    Pretty sure my washcloth has killed more of my skin cells than alcohol has.

jjulius 4y ago

>Honestly, one bottle of beer turns me from a chronically melancholic and outright boring person, to a functioning, social human being. >So, I call BS. You, not others. You, who is but one single data point in a vast sea of data points.

hellisothers 4y ago
Many of the comments here are making universal claims “for our species”, pointing out this isn’t the case “for me” is a reasonable refutation that doesn’t require belaboring the point that it is for the person.
- jjulius 4y ago
  The original piece that this entire thread is about links to multiple studies that support it's claims. OP's comment just says, "Well, I don't experience this, so I call BS". Sure, you don't, and that's fine (I'm happy that them and others in this thread have different experiences - good for them!), but that doesn't mean that we, nor even yourself, should immediately dismiss it entirely.
2-718-281-828 4y ago
you and your "data points" are in need of a bottle of beer I suppose
- jjulius 4y ago
  I'm an alcoholic, but thanks. Care to eschew your sarcasm and have a discussion about why we should use how OP's body responds to alcohol as the primary reason to cast this entire article (that came with cited studies) as "bullshit"? Because that's all my point was.
  - 2-718-281-828 4y ago
    well then no beer for you - I understood wheel's point as mostly hinting at alcohol serving a purpose as a social lubricant. and that's pretty established and well-observable. doesn't form an imperative, though. to call "BS" on the podcast's content is of course a bit over the top.

Mtinie 4y ago

Congratulations. You’ve found your ideal dosage for your unique situation. For many of us, one drink leads to more drinks at which point the physiological and psychological changes covered in the linked article become amplified.

soco 4y ago
The problem with the discussion is, most people here against alcohol sound to me like vegans. I mean, unable to discuss the "I only drink twice a week a beer" argument. To them even touching alcohol makes one a drunk-driver-wife-beater, deserving no less than high tower scorn. Not very helpful for an argument...
- PretzelPirate 4y ago
  > … most people here against alcohol sound to me like vegans. There’s a pretty big difference. Most people who drink don’t harm another living being, while those who eat animal products are supporting harm towards animals. I understand the vegan perspective but not the perspective of the use who criticize causal drinking.
  - Koshkin 4y ago
    > harm towards animals Killing perceived as causing “harm” (or not) is a somewhat non-trivial philosophical question. In an important sense, death is a social construct. From this point of view, the importance of one’s staying alive is measured by the impact on the society (starting with their family). The life of a chicken, therefore, doesn’t matter, with the exception when it is a pet. (At the same time, the life of a hen who is raising a flock of chicks is important.)
    - PretzelPirate 4y ago
      That’s quite a reductive view to justify hurting a living being. Harm literally means “ physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted” and a chicken whose throat is slit is clearly harmed. Animals don’t die instantly and it’s unreasonable to say “we aren’t harming a chicane by killing them if they didn’t produce value to society.” I’d expect humans to have more empathy and not try or reason their way into needlessly killing a creature who doesn’t want to die.

npwr 4y ago

Sounds like you're depressed and automedicating. But alcohol will only make you more depressed in the long run.

wheelerof4te 4y ago
No, it's just stress and anxiety. Also, my motor skills are bad so I literally can't relax, even if I want to. Low dose of alcohol helps my hands and upper torso relax.
- boplicity 4y ago
  You're medicating for stress and anxiety? That's another common way people start evolving alcoholics. Don't self medicate. It's dangerous and can lead to alcoholism. Far better to seek appropriate care from a professional.

joekrill 4y ago

Something can give that perception and still be incredibly bad for you and do all the things described in this video. They aren't mutually exclusive.

kennedywm 4y ago

Relying on booze to have a personality is where a lot of alcoholics start out. Not saying this is you, but it's worth keeping in mind if one beer starts becoming more.