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Tesla will hike the price of FSD driver assistance software by 25% in September
- powerbroker 4y agoI don't know why anyone would pay 1/10th the price. Tesla has never converted any software feature from beta to non-beta.
- de6u99er 4y agoWhat FSD?
- grapescheesee 4y agoFinancial stubbornness disorder? Or something that requires keeping a hand on wheel, and a foot on the break incase the fully supervised driver/ computer tries to hit something.
- mrjin 4y agoExactly.
- robgibbons 4y agoFull Self-Driving
- Schroedingersat 4y agoCruise control with lane keeping and a feature where it stays on but swerves into pedestrians and inanimate objects at intersections and you are fully liable when it tries to kill people at a significantly higher rate than humans make mistakes. Not to be confused with 'autopilot' which is cruise control with lane keeping.
- mrjin 4y agoOh well, 'autopilot' is still misleading. Both are at best Advanced Cruise Control.
- rvz 4y agoAdvertised as 'Full Self Driving' by Tesla, but in reality it is 'Fools Self Driving'.
- ncr100 4y ago(humor) it's a misspelling of FRD, Skrim's magical shout weapon Fus Ro Dah https://youtu.be/3mHFracASBk https://youtu.be/3mHFracASBk
- teruakohatu 4y agoDoes it cost $12k plus $200/month, or it a case of buying outright or paying a monthly subscription?
- josephcsible 4y agoIt's one or the other.
- josephcsible 4y agoThis is ridiculous. $15,000 to maybe get to be part of a beta program, that they take back off of you without refund if they think you stop paying attention 5 times, and that probably won't be out of beta within the lifetime of your car (and if you get a new Tesla, you can't transfer FSD from the old one).
- londons_explore 4y agoIs it possible hardly anyone is buying this,so the price set is just a marketing thing and doesn't matter? Just like the $1000 bottle of wine on a restaurant menu... They also have a monthly subscription payment for fsd beta, and I'd guess that's what they'd prefer you use...
- gorkish 4y agoMy informal sampling suggests that people are quite inexplicably actually buying it. The net present value of the feature has always been very obviously negative if you make even a passing effort to analyze the financial sensibility of buying FSD. My conclusion therefore is that people are buying it because its overhyped and oversold. I really want Tesla FSD to work too, but I fear the way that the feature has been promised and sold so far is delivering mostly dissapointment despite the progress being extremely amazing. Tesla has in the past activated FSD on their pre-owned inventory as a means to increase their profit margin on this segment; a lot of cars have FSD because of this.
- MomoXenosaga 4y agoElon Musk is a religious icon for many people. They'll pay.
- atonse 4y agoThe fact that EAP on the Y is way pricier than even on the model 3 is a reason I haven’t traded in my 3 for a Y. It really feels like Tesla is stagnating now. Price hikes for vaporware is a massive red flag.
- kramerger 4y agoIsn't this a bit bold? They failed in some very public tests so now they raise prices?
- somerandomqaguy 4y agoTesla did promise that price increases for the FSD feature would occur as time went on. Probably one of the few promises that there was little reason to doubt would occur.
- panick21_ 4y agoI'm not of fan of the FSD. But if you are refer to that child hitting marketing campaign that one of their competitors made, that was a ridiculous and not any kind of real test.
- kramerger 4y agoWhy not?
- mrjin 4y agoFor some people, they won't buy it for $150, but they will probably buy it for $15,000.
- mrjin 4y agoOh well, I'm wondering so called FSD would ever come out of beta. The situations on roads are so complicated and volatile that competent human drivers cannot avoid making mistakes and that's based on the fact human drivers can UNDERSTAND the situations. Understanding require REAL INTELLIGENCE, but unfortunately all artificial intelligence are at best artificial idiocy. No, I'm not saying AIs are useless, they are actually quite useful in very limited scenarios but that's pretty much it. Unless there is a break through on understanding how human understand, all the current AI approaches won't go anywhere. All self-driving cars should be blocked on public roads or we are going to see accidents involving such vehicles increasing dramatically very soon.
- dont__panic 4y agoI'm scared to admit that the future will likely see "AI-only" roads where only licensed AI is allowed to operate, no human drivers. Simply because eventually these car companies will hit a wall with uptake and usage, and they'll lobby the pants off of city and state government to prove the worth of their AI driving. I'm thinking something like I70 or I25 in Colorado, which barely function on a daily basis because the human drivers are just so dangerous. AI will seem like an upgrade just because it'll filter certain demographics from the road and reduce traffic... for a little while. To clarify: I do not think this is a good idea. But eventually the hot AI/electric car uptake will slow, and car companies are going to look for the next opportunity to make more people upgrade. What accomplishes that better than anything? Banning older cars from certain roads, making their experiences retroactively poor enough to force an early upgrade!
- namlem 4y agoI think high speed, driverless-only protected lanes could be a good thing. Up the speed limit to 120mph and let the cars convoy for increased efficiency. Would dramatically improve throughput and reduce traffic in the other lanes.
- ariliso 4y agoAren't you just describing a shittier version of high speed rail at this point?
- thecleaner 4y agoThis is basically trying to gradually remove adoption of fsd without admitting defeat. They can just say oh nobody uses it and it's too expensive and never admit that they couldn't crack fsd.
- mattbrewsbytes 4y agoI think fully automated driving is not worth the effort, yet. It clearly doesn't work to the point of trusting it implicitly to be safe and there are a lot of other safety features already in cars these days that help avoid accidents or mitigate damage to humans in accidents. FSD isn't a safety feature its a gimmick, one of many that attracted people to Tesla. I don't see as many gimmick types of features (gaming, full autonomous driving, etc.) being introduced in upcoming models from other auto makers. I think in the short term (2-3 years) Tesla is going to suffer when a lot of other auto makers come out with their EVs. Many Americans choose their car as a status/style symbol. People will have style choices beyond Tesla. A key milestone for Tesla will be how they handle a design refresh. Many automakers go through these cycles every ~5 years with existing models when people get tired of old designs, etc.
- unclebucknasty 4y agoStill not sure how they get away with beta testing safety features on public roads. Or, how drivers who choose to participate get to decide for the rest of us that we must participate too. The idea that you're going to give a vehicle complete control, but constantly monitor for errors and make a split second decision to manually correct is flawed. As long as this is required, the feature shouldn't be allowed on public roads. At what point is it fraudulent?
- throwaway5959 4y agoSure it’s fraud. There are probably tens of thousands of people that will spend the entire time they own the vehicle not using a non-beta product they paid for. If it’s not fraud, it’s at least misleading advertising. When was the last time Elon Musk faced any consequences for his actions? Why wouldn’t he keep selling bullshit?
- namlem 4y agoEspecially ridiculous now that GM also offers self-driving on highways at a much lower price. FSD is still pretty shit on city streets.