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Unfortunately a great deal of the web works best on chromium. I use FF every day for reasons such as TFA, but it's getting harder and harder. On the same (old-i
by anotherhue 4y ago
Unfortunately a great deal of the web works best on chromium. I use FF every day for reasons such as TFA, but it's getting harder and harder. On the same (old-ish) machine Brave runs rings around FF in basic web performance.
Maybe the EU can fork Firefox?
- denkmoon 4y agoI never run into websites that don't work properly in Firefox that isn't a consequence of one of my addons. Do you encounter them commonly?
- anotherhue 4y agoIndeed and almost always for that reason. It's more the performance that hurts me, perhaps my 'many tabs' style is better handled with the chromium process model.
- Ayesh 4y agoI have Firefox containers and Simple Tab Groups extension installed, which keeps my tabs in the browser, but automatically suspends them when they are not visible. This was my sweet spot for tabs, because I do not have to bookmark them permanently, and I can instantly switch to my "workspace" anytime. I experience the opposite of you with Chrome struggling with several tabs. At around 30 tabs, Chrome absolutely throttles my moderately powerful 8 core 16 thread CPU laptop with 24GB RAM, while Firefox has no issues with it. Firefox doesn't even sweat even if I have those tabs open with Spotify and Gmail, one that presumably uses hardware DRM decryption, and the other websockets for email and chat, plus whatever tracking Google wants to do.
- foepys 4y agoA friend of mine has over 3,000 open in a vanilla Firefox at this very moment. Firefox restores the tabs on each restart without loading them and suspends inactive tabs automatically.
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- causality0 4y agoJust because it works doesn't mean it's snappy.
- sh4rks 4y agoDoes it really matter if it loads in 2 seconds in Chromium vs 3 seconds in Firefox?
- causality0 4y agoWhen you're doing it hundreds of times a day, yes absolutely.
- Qahlel 4y agoI love FF but Youtube is a lag fast compared to chrome.
- fezfight 4y agoI'm sure tiktok runs circles around Chrome on tiktok, too.
- CivBase 4y agoCurious if that's still the case if you disguised the User Agent as Chrome. I used to have to do that on FF mobile to make any of the Google products usable.
- chii 4y agoyea YT does suck a bit on FF, but there's some settings to try make it better - turn off the hover preview (https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/130441859/how-to-disable-hovering-over-thumbnail-keep-hovering-to-play-mini-player-popup?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/130441859/how-to-d...). Also try switching to av1 codec, if you have a recent video card (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/firefox-will-efficiently-play-av1-video-if-you-have-a-brand-new-gpu/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/firefox-will-efficie...), but not sure if it will help much if it's not the video lagging.
- primeblue 4y ago
- Gigachad 4y agoProbably depends on device people are using. I'm using FF on the M1 Macbook and it runs extremely fast but on a more limited device the difference may be noticeable.
- jjcon 4y agoFor me Twitch, Netflix, a bunch of my banking websites and random others all have issues in Firefox. For twitch and Netflix it’s massive cpu spikes and battery loss, for the others typically just a complete failure to load properly.
- johnny22 4y agosounds like video decoding in firefox. at least it's something under firefox's purview to fix if that's the case.
- jay_kyburz 4y agoOn a Mac or Windows (or Linux)? I find Firefox Mac a lot less pleasant to use than Firefox on Windows.
- jjcon 4y agoMy experience is the same - I'm mostly Max/Linux and have issues on both but the times I have used FF Windows it has actually seemed decent on battery etc
- boomboomsubban 4y agoAre you running uBlock Origin? As when a site fails to load properly for me it's usually requires loading stuff I have blocked, unblocking it fixes the issue.
- jjcon 4y agoI have had that happen (being the fault of the blocker) but for these it’s problems I’ve had even with blockers disabled
- primeblue 4y ago
- behnamoh 4y agoI've found Brave without its bells and whistles to be really great compared to FF. On macOS, FF was causing heat problems (M1 Pro) but Brave has been consistently using half CPU.
- jjcon 4y agoMy mac and Linux laptop setup are ultimately what made me give up on FF. The heat and battery aren’t a consideration on desktops really but chrome et al really shines on battery comparatively
- wyclif 4y agoI use Brave and love it, but if you want to stay with FF have you tried FFDE? On my M1 Pro it doesn't create any heat problems that I've noticed.
- nearmuse 4y agoCare to give any examples? I am not having any issues at all. Not only that, but I don't feel like FF is getting in my way somehow and that I should try a different browser.
- anotherhue 4y agoGoogle Maps and Twitter are those that spring to mind. Obviously JS heavy.
- dugite-code 4y agoWhat issues do you experience? I can't tell that anything is wrong with either of them on firefox
- anotherhue 4y ago'Finish' time from the network tabs in the respective debuggers for Google maps Brave: 8.46s Firefox: 26.91s Same machine, an older thinkpad (i5-6300U). I posit that the perf differences may be masked by newer hardware.
- dugite-code 4y agoWell I can't say I have ever experienced performance quite that bad myself. On my i7-2700K desktop I'm only seeing about 6s-7s each. Kind of hard to tell when maps is really finished loading though.
- Ayesh 4y agoGoogle Maps, I can confirm. It works, but it's noticably slow on Firefox. Tiles appear a tab bit slower, and street view navigation takes a fraction of a second to respond. It didn't stop me from using Firefox, but I can absolutely understand if someone finds it as a deal breaker if they use Google maps often.
- 3np 4y agoIf you're mostly reading on Twitter: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter https://github.com/zedeus/nitter I share the experience with Maps, though I never see it these days as the G gets its own ungoogled-chromium sandbox and don't get to play with other domains here anyway.
- cebert 4y agoI used Firefox as my daily driver and haven’t encountered this at all.
- eru 4y ago> Maybe the EU can fork Firefox? They obviously can. But why would you expect anything good to come out of this? I don't think any government entity is particularly known for writing excellent consumer software, nor would I want my tax dollars to be spend on such a project that is better provided by the private sector. (Not literally my tax dollars, since I don't live in the EU any longer.) More realistically, the EU could give some money to Mozilla (or similar) to make Firefox better. That would get over my first objection of them likely being incompetent by themselves.
- midoridensha 4y agoGovernment entities aren't any good at building almost anything, but that's why they contract work out to private companies. I wouldn't expect EU government employees to work directly on FF, but rather for it to be contracted out to some EU company or companies. The reason for forking rather than throwing money at Mozilla is that Mozilla doesn't seem to be doing a great job of managing themselves. Maybe they need some competition. Also, Mozilla is an American company; the EU would naturally want to give money to an EU company that hires EU citizens to do such high-value, high-paid work, not send that money to the US. Plus, they can get a lot more software talent for their Euro in the EU (esp. eastern EU) than in America.
- eru 4y ago> Government entities aren't any good at building almost anything, but that's why they contract work out to private companies. I wouldn't expect EU government employees to work directly on FF, but rather for it to be contracted out to some EU company or companies. I skimmed over the issue here: my more precise point is that government entities generally aren't good at building things when they outsource the actual building, either. (Some people even go so far as claiming that outsourced government projects are worse than in-house ones.) > The reason for forking rather than throwing money at Mozilla is that Mozilla doesn't seem to be doing a great job of managing themselves. That might be true. Or perhaps they just have different priorities, and the EU can specifically pay them to do some work on EU priorities? > Also, Mozilla is an American company; the EU would naturally want to give money to an EU company that hires EU citizens to do such high-value, high-paid work, not send that money to the US. That's, alas, true from a political point of view. But not from a macroeconomic economic point of view, or just getting bang-for-your-buck. > Plus, they can get a lot more software talent for their Euro in the EU (esp. eastern EU) than in America. Mozilla can already hire from anywhere, too, can't they? In any case, I already mentioned in my comment that the EU can pay someone other than Mozilla. The point I wanted to make is that the EU should not fork Firefox, but rather try to get their favourite contributions upstreamed, if possible. In any case, I still think it would be a waste of taxpayer money for the EU to pick winners (ie award the project to someone). Instead they should focus on streamlining bureaucracies and regulation etc so that private entities (companies, or foundations or otherwise) that provide what people want (software or otherwise) can flourish in the EU.
- whazor 4y agoFor saving battery life and performance I use: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auto-tab-discard/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auto-tab-disc... The plugin basically kills tabs if you are not using them, after you click on them they get restored and forms get refilled. There is also a way to exclude websites, but I have not yet found a site breaks.
- anotherhue 4y agotrying it now, thank you!