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Google's arrogance here is astonishing. The police say no fault, and it's the subject of an NYT investigation, and they still won't restore the account. What ho

by mgpc 4y ago

Google's arrogance here is astonishing. The police say no fault, and it's the subject of an NYT investigation, and they still won't restore the account. What hope do the rest of us have? I've been an Android user for a long time, but I think this might finally push me to switch to Apple. I'm just disgusted by this.

userbinator 4y ago
The Apple who caused an immense controversy with its CSAM scanning debacle? All of Big Tech is ultimately not so different.
- hedora 4y ago
  They cancelled the CSAM scanning project. In contrast, Google has been doing CSAM (and apparently AI porn detection) for years. Also, the bone-headed Apple plan had safeguards that would have prevented the victim in the article from losing their account. The two policies aren't remotely comparable.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    Yeah, Apple was annoying (not even that really, it’s just the idea rather than the actual effect that bothers me), but ultimately fairly benign compared to what Google does.
  - ComputerGuru 4y ago
    You’re right, they’re not comparable: Apple was going to be scanning for CSAM on your device, without the photos even reaching their servers (by uploading a backup, texting a copy, etc). Google, so far as I can tell and as corroborated by the article, doesn’t do that. Apple and Google both already scan anything uploaded to your Photos account for CSAM and report to authorities.
    - detaro 4y ago
      No,Apple's proposal was for only scanning stuff that was being uploaded to their servers. And only matching hashes with known material, not general "nude child!" detection. While there's problems with that too, it is a better design than what Google does.
      - ComputerGuru 4y ago
        https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/12/15/apples-hold-on-implementing-on-device-csam-photo-monitoring-may-be-permanent https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/12/15/apples-hold-on-im...
        SirensOfTitan 4y ago
        As the article states, the scanning only occurred if you had iCloud Photos enabled. From what I recall, it worked like: 1. Use on device ML to scan for child porn before iCloud Photos upload. 2. If not found, issue a cryptographic ticket for iCloud upload and include in upload request. …the whole point of Apple’s scheme as far as I know was to keep as much of the processing on device as possible while also keeping illegal content off of their cloud servers.
unity1001 4y ago
> What hope do the rest of us have? The Eu starting to fine the living daylights out of Google for not allowing people get their data from their account per the new digital gatekeepers act that the big tech has 6 months to comply. They did it to Microsoft when Microsoft refused to comply with the browser ballot box initiative, saying that it was "technically near impossible". They started fining them 500,000 Eur/day or something. Then Microsoft magically made the ballot box happen within 2 weeks.
OrangeMusic 4y ago
Apparently having a "0 tolerance policy" on something means that even when an accusation is proven to be false, you'll still punish the accused. I am disgusted and Google should be ashamed.

by mgpc 4y ago

userbinator 4y ago

The Apple who caused an immense controversy with its CSAM scanning debacle? All of Big Tech is ultimately not so different.

hedora 4y ago
They cancelled the CSAM scanning project. In contrast, Google has been doing CSAM (and apparently AI porn detection) for years. Also, the bone-headed Apple plan had safeguards that would have prevented the victim in the article from losing their account. The two policies aren't remotely comparable.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  Yeah, Apple was annoying (not even that really, it’s just the idea rather than the actual effect that bothers me), but ultimately fairly benign compared to what Google does.
- ComputerGuru 4y ago
  You’re right, they’re not comparable: Apple was going to be scanning for CSAM on your device, without the photos even reaching their servers (by uploading a backup, texting a copy, etc). Google, so far as I can tell and as corroborated by the article, doesn’t do that. Apple and Google both already scan anything uploaded to your Photos account for CSAM and report to authorities.
  - detaro 4y ago
    No,Apple's proposal was for only scanning stuff that was being uploaded to their servers. And only matching hashes with known material, not general "nude child!" detection. While there's problems with that too, it is a better design than what Google does.
    - ComputerGuru 4y ago
      https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/12/15/apples-hold-on-implementing-on-device-csam-photo-monitoring-may-be-permanent https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/12/15/apples-hold-on-im...
      - SirensOfTitan 4y ago
        As the article states, the scanning only occurred if you had iCloud Photos enabled. From what I recall, it worked like: 1. Use on device ML to scan for child porn before iCloud Photos upload. 2. If not found, issue a cryptographic ticket for iCloud upload and include in upload request. …the whole point of Apple’s scheme as far as I know was to keep as much of the processing on device as possible while also keeping illegal content off of their cloud servers.

unity1001 4y ago

> What hope do the rest of us have? The Eu starting to fine the living daylights out of Google for not allowing people get their data from their account per the new digital gatekeepers act that the big tech has 6 months to comply. They did it to Microsoft when Microsoft refused to comply with the browser ballot box initiative, saying that it was "technically near impossible". They started fining them 500,000 Eur/day or something. Then Microsoft magically made the ballot box happen within 2 weeks.

OrangeMusic 4y ago

Apparently having a "0 tolerance policy" on something means that even when an accusation is proven to be false, you'll still punish the accused. I am disgusted and Google should be ashamed.