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Related: Spinlaunch: BUSTED | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ziGI0i9VbE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ziGI0i9VbE

dcow 4y ago
While there may be some valid critique in this video, it’s oozing frankly disgusting amounts of pompous dismissal and consequently I cannot trust its motivations.
- switchbak 4y ago
  I've tried to listen to this guy in other contexts, and you're right. So much cynicism and arrogance of his supposedly grand intellect. It's just such a turn off.
- chubbnix 4y ago
  You’ve got great intuition: https://youtu.be/SpgBkpb7xlU https://youtu.be/SpgBkpb7xlU
  - Havoc 4y ago
    What the hell is that & how is it relevant to satellites?
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      'He's wrong about feminism so he must be wrong about everything else.' I guess? There's no denying the guy is a blow-hard loudmouth with an obnoxious style and some dumb opinions, but that's no reason to blindly believe the inverse of everything he says. Personally I ignore his videos; not because he's always wrong, but rather because he's always annoying.
- ravenstine 4y ago
  Somehow I knew it would be Thunderf00t from the title alone. I used to watch this guy religiously (lol) back in the day, and while I still occasionally see what he has to say about certain topics, I find him hard to watch because of what seems to be a lack of humility. Last year I unsubbed. Yeah, some of the stuff he critiques is really stupid (ex. solar roadways), especially when it comes to Kickstarter scams, but his general attitude suggests that no one should ever test insane ideas for the sake of it. I get that reusable rockets have already been achieved, for instance, but Thunderf00t seems to think that's a reason to dismiss the efforts of SpaceX, as if nothing could have possibly been improved upon since the 1990s. He has a real bias towards governmentalized academia, and he's even admitted it more or less in the past, which is why he frequently criticizes commercialization of technology. It's too bad, because he's a really smart guy, and used to make very good points against organized religion. He could be inspiring more people to get into science, but he's now in the business of mocking, which isn't a compelling reason to actually become scientifically literate. The really odd thing about his critiques is that he doesn't actually attack the heart of the problem, which is the media. As long as the mainstream media is scientifically illiterate and is so bereft of ethics that it just wants to sell attention, people will invent cockamamie ideas like the "sky hotel."
  - audunw 4y ago
    > It's too bad, because he's a really smart guy Is he really? I've yet to see a single video where he applies a significant amount of intellectual rigour. I've seen him make so many basic mistakes in his reasoning that he's either incredibly lazy, intentionally misleading (a real possibility since "debunking" gets him views) or just not that smart. I dont understand why so many people take him seriously. I suspect too many people get a kick out of feeling smart/smug from "debunking" videos.
    - chasil 4y ago
      He announces a set of physics exercises relevant to spin launch on Brilliant at the end of the video. I wouldn't discount his STEM knowledge.
      - space_fountain 4y ago
        I’ve been assuming when I see those promotions that the content creators involved have pretty minimal real involvement signing off and maybe making suggestions. It is at the end of the day just an ad
      - krisoft 4y ago
        Caution. The "he" you are referring to (the one who announces the Brilliant exercises) is Brian McManus from the Real Engineering youtube channel. The "he" audunw refers to in the comment you are responding to is Thunderf00t. You guys are talking by each other.
    - imtringued 4y ago
      Explain the wrong reasoning and flaws in these videos: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DXpLAB5219A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DXpLAB5219A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LmlAYnFF_s8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LmlAYnFF_s8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwbd1qGvTeQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwbd1qGvTeQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4KoxeTu-8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4KoxeTu-8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9g3eXLwH9J8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9g3eXLwH9J8 I will take your words by face value and assume that none of these videos used or needed any amount of intellectual rigor and that he is not very smart. Okay, but if the bar is that high, then it appears that whatever scam kickstarter he debunks wasn't even on the scale of intellectual rigor or smartness.
- darepublic 4y ago
  I agree I find thunderfoot's attitude off-putting but in general I trust his take on these things
mikewarot 4y ago
Lots of things from that "debunking" were well covered in the original post. Other than ad hominem attacks, I've not seen anything substantiative from Thunderf00t that address this new video.
jackmott 4y ago
drivers99 4y ago
and part 2: https://youtu.be/ibSJ_yy96iE https://youtu.be/ibSJ_yy96iE
u320 4y ago
If you want to know if this has any chance of working, you should probably ask somebody who is an expert in this field and ignore the youtube videos. This goes for both Real Engineering and Thunderf00t
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- jiggawatts 4y ago
  Being an expert or not doesn't make basic physics go away. Criticism can be valid even without credentials, especially in an area where the only people with relevant credentials are putting their hand out and seeking startup funding. I can judge whether a honey is good or not, but I'm not a bee and I can't make any myself.
  - rep_movsd 4y ago
    Yeah, I dont understand this "You are not an expert" bullshit. This is 7th grade physics, centrifugal force, newtons laws, kinetic energy and a small amount of materials science. People just get swayed by fancy CGI
    - naasking 4y ago
      What about the basic physics suggests SpinLaunch is impossible?

dcow 4y ago

While there may be some valid critique in this video, it’s oozing frankly disgusting amounts of pompous dismissal and consequently I cannot trust its motivations.

switchbak 4y ago
I've tried to listen to this guy in other contexts, and you're right. So much cynicism and arrogance of his supposedly grand intellect. It's just such a turn off.
chubbnix 4y ago
You’ve got great intuition: https://youtu.be/SpgBkpb7xlU https://youtu.be/SpgBkpb7xlU
- Havoc 4y ago
  What the hell is that & how is it relevant to satellites?
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    'He's wrong about feminism so he must be wrong about everything else.' I guess? There's no denying the guy is a blow-hard loudmouth with an obnoxious style and some dumb opinions, but that's no reason to blindly believe the inverse of everything he says. Personally I ignore his videos; not because he's always wrong, but rather because he's always annoying.
ravenstine 4y ago
Somehow I knew it would be Thunderf00t from the title alone. I used to watch this guy religiously (lol) back in the day, and while I still occasionally see what he has to say about certain topics, I find him hard to watch because of what seems to be a lack of humility. Last year I unsubbed. Yeah, some of the stuff he critiques is really stupid (ex. solar roadways), especially when it comes to Kickstarter scams, but his general attitude suggests that no one should ever test insane ideas for the sake of it. I get that reusable rockets have already been achieved, for instance, but Thunderf00t seems to think that's a reason to dismiss the efforts of SpaceX, as if nothing could have possibly been improved upon since the 1990s. He has a real bias towards governmentalized academia, and he's even admitted it more or less in the past, which is why he frequently criticizes commercialization of technology. It's too bad, because he's a really smart guy, and used to make very good points against organized religion. He could be inspiring more people to get into science, but he's now in the business of mocking, which isn't a compelling reason to actually become scientifically literate. The really odd thing about his critiques is that he doesn't actually attack the heart of the problem, which is the media. As long as the mainstream media is scientifically illiterate and is so bereft of ethics that it just wants to sell attention, people will invent cockamamie ideas like the "sky hotel."
- audunw 4y ago
  > It's too bad, because he's a really smart guy Is he really? I've yet to see a single video where he applies a significant amount of intellectual rigour. I've seen him make so many basic mistakes in his reasoning that he's either incredibly lazy, intentionally misleading (a real possibility since "debunking" gets him views) or just not that smart. I dont understand why so many people take him seriously. I suspect too many people get a kick out of feeling smart/smug from "debunking" videos.
  - chasil 4y ago
    He announces a set of physics exercises relevant to spin launch on Brilliant at the end of the video. I wouldn't discount his STEM knowledge.
    - space_fountain 4y ago
      I’ve been assuming when I see those promotions that the content creators involved have pretty minimal real involvement signing off and maybe making suggestions. It is at the end of the day just an ad
    - krisoft 4y ago
      Caution. The "he" you are referring to (the one who announces the Brilliant exercises) is Brian McManus from the Real Engineering youtube channel. The "he" audunw refers to in the comment you are responding to is Thunderf00t. You guys are talking by each other.
  - imtringued 4y ago
    Explain the wrong reasoning and flaws in these videos: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DXpLAB5219A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DXpLAB5219A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LmlAYnFF_s8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LmlAYnFF_s8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwbd1qGvTeQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwbd1qGvTeQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4KoxeTu-8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4KoxeTu-8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9g3eXLwH9J8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9g3eXLwH9J8 I will take your words by face value and assume that none of these videos used or needed any amount of intellectual rigor and that he is not very smart. Okay, but if the bar is that high, then it appears that whatever scam kickstarter he debunks wasn't even on the scale of intellectual rigor or smartness.
darepublic 4y ago
I agree I find thunderfoot's attitude off-putting but in general I trust his take on these things

mikewarot 4y ago

Lots of things from that "debunking" were well covered in the original post. Other than ad hominem attacks, I've not seen anything substantiative from Thunderf00t that address this new video.

jackmott 4y ago

drivers99 4y ago

and part 2: https://youtu.be/ibSJ_yy96iE https://youtu.be/ibSJ_yy96iE

u320 4y ago

If you want to know if this has any chance of working, you should probably ask somebody who is an expert in this field and ignore the youtube videos. This goes for both Real Engineering and Thunderf00t

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jiggawatts 4y ago
Being an expert or not doesn't make basic physics go away. Criticism can be valid even without credentials, especially in an area where the only people with relevant credentials are putting their hand out and seeking startup funding. I can judge whether a honey is good or not, but I'm not a bee and I can't make any myself.
- rep_movsd 4y ago
  Yeah, I dont understand this "You are not an expert" bullshit. This is 7th grade physics, centrifugal force, newtons laws, kinetic energy and a small amount of materials science. People just get swayed by fancy CGI
  - naasking 4y ago
    What about the basic physics suggests SpinLaunch is impossible?