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It’s an early ERP system. People undersell or oversell it depending on their ideological bias but that’s what it’s most comparable to imo. It’s not particularl

by pram 4y ago

It’s an early ERP system. People undersell or oversell it depending on their ideological bias but that’s what it’s most comparable to imo. It’s not particularly exciting but it was a practical idea.

api 4y ago
An early ERP system built by socialist Trekkies? (Apparently Star Trek inspired the "bridge.")
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Ugh a SAP system is probably one of the most boring and user unfriendly things that have been inspired by star trek.
revolvingocelot 4y ago
It's an early ERP system that existed under a different model of economic organization; omitting that serious detail is almost, er, underselling it. Modern Free SocietiesTM lose their minds over networked water meters; this was a near-real-time index of important metrics from the country's important industries. The actually-Marxist government used this data to wage class war against the still-private owners of eg trucking companies. We don't hold with that sort of panopticon in the West, no sir! ...Regarding corporations, obviously. Citizens dutifully endure their smartphones and smartspeakers and smartdoorbells reporting important metrics to advertisers and Amazon and the cops. The point is that ideology colours everything.
- AstralStorm 4y ago
  What is a required by law or your power corporation smart power meter? :) Are you sure we don't do that? (Water meters more often than not as well.) What are the chances your gas station does not record the plates and gas purchase data together? Or the credit card number. Or perhaps even driver's license number in some places. Etc. Ad nauseam. The data is just not directly available to either the consumer or the government. That does not make for good privacy though.
_int3_ 4y ago
I don't think so. Project Cybersyn is not even possible on non centrally planned economies. Try to calculate if Germany will run out of gas this winter. You can't . Because economy is not centrally planned.
- AstralStorm 4y ago
  Sure you can, it will just be an estimate. If you had the in depth data such a network provided, the estimate would likely be more accurate. The monitoring of this sort is done by every energy company these days, just not public or interlinked. The governments get lump values from the big companies instead.
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  - _int3_ 4y ago
    Can they act on estimates? Can they take resources ( like gas, copper, electronics, etc... ) from one private company's storage and give it to other (more critical) company? For example: take gas from paper-clip factory and give it to fertilizer factory?
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    - AstralStorm 4y ago
      That's not what central planning ever did, either. They changed priorities and quotas instead. And even that system (soviet version) was very short-lived. Governments these days use pricing, including special case pricing and tax breaks to achieve a similar thing even more roughly. Unless there are shortages, in which case they intervene directly. So, what we have now is actually much less efficient.

by pram 4y ago

api 4y ago

An early ERP system built by socialist Trekkies? (Apparently Star Trek inspired the "bridge.")

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Ugh a SAP system is probably one of the most boring and user unfriendly things that have been inspired by star trek.

revolvingocelot 4y ago

It's an early ERP system that existed under a different model of economic organization; omitting that serious detail is almost, er, underselling it. Modern Free SocietiesTM lose their minds over networked water meters; this was a near-real-time index of important metrics from the country's important industries. The actually-Marxist government used this data to wage class war against the still-private owners of eg trucking companies. We don't hold with that sort of panopticon in the West, no sir! ...Regarding corporations, obviously. Citizens dutifully endure their smartphones and smartspeakers and smartdoorbells reporting important metrics to advertisers and Amazon and the cops. The point is that ideology colours everything.

AstralStorm 4y ago
What is a required by law or your power corporation smart power meter? :) Are you sure we don't do that? (Water meters more often than not as well.) What are the chances your gas station does not record the plates and gas purchase data together? Or the credit card number. Or perhaps even driver's license number in some places. Etc. Ad nauseam. The data is just not directly available to either the consumer or the government. That does not make for good privacy though.

_int3_ 4y ago

I don't think so. Project Cybersyn is not even possible on non centrally planned economies. Try to calculate if Germany will run out of gas this winter. You can't . Because economy is not centrally planned.

AstralStorm 4y ago
Sure you can, it will just be an estimate. If you had the in depth data such a network provided, the estimate would likely be more accurate. The monitoring of this sort is done by every energy company these days, just not public or interlinked. The governments get lump values from the big companies instead.
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- _int3_ 4y ago
  Can they act on estimates? Can they take resources ( like gas, copper, electronics, etc... ) from one private company's storage and give it to other (more critical) company? For example: take gas from paper-clip factory and give it to fertilizer factory?
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  - AstralStorm 4y ago
    That's not what central planning ever did, either. They changed priorities and quotas instead. And even that system (soviet version) was very short-lived. Governments these days use pricing, including special case pricing and tax breaks to achieve a similar thing even more roughly. Unless there are shortages, in which case they intervene directly. So, what we have now is actually much less efficient.