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Developers, family protest arrest of Tornado Cash developer in Amsterdam

PretzelPirate 4y ago
This article is about the protest of the arrest. The arrest happened days ago.
lampshades 4y ago
The title should be "Developers, family protest arrest of Tornado Cash developer in Amsterdam", like in the article. The arrest is already known.
- dang 4y ago
  We've changed the title to that of the article. (Submitted title was "Tornado Cash developer arrested in Amsterdam".) Submitters: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait." - this is in the site guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Aeolun 4y ago
I feel like these is way too little information in this article to judge one way or another. If he made tons of money off the transactions then clearly he wasn’t just involved as an ‘open-source developer’. The fact that it’s (apparently) only a bunch of crypto fanatics protesting doesn’t really help.
- chaosbolt 4y ago
  >The fact that it’s (apparently) only a bunch of crypto fanatics protesting doesn’t really help. This would be like saying that the fact that it's only a bunch of hippies protesting useless wars doesn't really help. Arresting someone for writing a program that wasn't illegal or sanctioned when he wrote it and doing it years after is just inexcusable, especially when you realize that no one got arrested when HSBC was found to be laundering cartel money.
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  - colechristensen 4y ago
    Money laundering has been illegal for a long time, you don’t get a pass because you’re doing it dressed up with new technology. Especially when you’re making gobs of money doing it. Especially when the narrative around your new money majorly focuses on how it is secret and evades government control.
    - chaosbolt 4y ago
      Oh boy HN sure has changed, every other comment is some conformist cope against privacy giving bogus arguments, and it's weird coming from people whose job is basically logic. >Money laundering has been illegal for a long time Sure if I launder my money to avoid paying taxes I'll be breaking the law. >you don’t get a pass because you’re doing it dressed up with new technology That's like saying that the guy who developed Monero should be in jail because it's used to buy drugs, the guy developed a tool, the people who use the tool to launder their money are the ones breaking the law, if you make cars and some people use them to smuggle drugs you're not breaking the law... >Especially when you’re making gobs of money doing it ...doesn't matter how much money you make selling your cars. >Especially when the narrative around your new money majorly focuses on how it is secret and evades government control. The narrative around anything shouldn't be a factor in you being free or in prison, also tornado wasn't money and it's not even a crypto.
    - homeland221 4y ago
      Pretty much anything with money transactions can be classified as laundering. If governments dont like you aby transaction you made can be classified as such. Money laundering is basically like a catch all tools by law enforcers who cant do their job properly and need a cheatcode to do so. Cash is widely use in laundering as well. Guess how government enforce money laundering on that since it is so hard for then to trace, civil forfeiture. We should always boycott and saturate law enforcers and politicians whenever they touch on this area. Their overhand is getting worst everyday.
    - 4y ago
- TakeBlaster16 4y ago
  The fanatics are the loudest (as always), but they're not the only ones. The EFF also spoke out. https://nitter.snopyta.org/EFF/status/1559224086491934720 https://nitter.snopyta.org/EFF/status/1559224086491934720
largepeepee 4y ago
- superchroma 4y ago
  and it took far too long to get here.
pvg 4y ago
Last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32436413 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32436413
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This article is about the protest of the arrest. The arrest happened days ago.

The title should be "Developers, family protest arrest of Tornado Cash developer in Amsterdam", like in the article. The arrest is already known.

dang 4y ago
We've changed the title to that of the article. (Submitted title was "Tornado Cash developer arrested in Amsterdam".) Submitters: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait." - this is in the site guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Aeolun 4y ago

I feel like these is way too little information in this article to judge one way or another. If he made tons of money off the transactions then clearly he wasn’t just involved as an ‘open-source developer’. The fact that it’s (apparently) only a bunch of crypto fanatics protesting doesn’t really help.

chaosbolt 4y ago
>The fact that it’s (apparently) only a bunch of crypto fanatics protesting doesn’t really help. This would be like saying that the fact that it's only a bunch of hippies protesting useless wars doesn't really help. Arresting someone for writing a program that wasn't illegal or sanctioned when he wrote it and doing it years after is just inexcusable, especially when you realize that no one got arrested when HSBC was found to be laundering cartel money.
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- colechristensen 4y ago
  Money laundering has been illegal for a long time, you don’t get a pass because you’re doing it dressed up with new technology. Especially when you’re making gobs of money doing it. Especially when the narrative around your new money majorly focuses on how it is secret and evades government control.
  - chaosbolt 4y ago
    Oh boy HN sure has changed, every other comment is some conformist cope against privacy giving bogus arguments, and it's weird coming from people whose job is basically logic. >Money laundering has been illegal for a long time Sure if I launder my money to avoid paying taxes I'll be breaking the law. >you don’t get a pass because you’re doing it dressed up with new technology That's like saying that the guy who developed Monero should be in jail because it's used to buy drugs, the guy developed a tool, the people who use the tool to launder their money are the ones breaking the law, if you make cars and some people use them to smuggle drugs you're not breaking the law... >Especially when you’re making gobs of money doing it ...doesn't matter how much money you make selling your cars. >Especially when the narrative around your new money majorly focuses on how it is secret and evades government control. The narrative around anything shouldn't be a factor in you being free or in prison, also tornado wasn't money and it's not even a crypto.
  - homeland221 4y ago
    Pretty much anything with money transactions can be classified as laundering. If governments dont like you aby transaction you made can be classified as such. Money laundering is basically like a catch all tools by law enforcers who cant do their job properly and need a cheatcode to do so. Cash is widely use in laundering as well. Guess how government enforce money laundering on that since it is so hard for then to trace, civil forfeiture. We should always boycott and saturate law enforcers and politicians whenever they touch on this area. Their overhand is getting worst everyday.
  - 4y ago
TakeBlaster16 4y ago
The fanatics are the loudest (as always), but they're not the only ones. The EFF also spoke out. https://nitter.snopyta.org/EFF/status/1559224086491934720 https://nitter.snopyta.org/EFF/status/1559224086491934720

largepeepee 4y ago

superchroma 4y ago
and it took far too long to get here.

pvg 4y ago

Last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32436413 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32436413

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