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> people who clutch their pearls when you pair a dry red with your grilled salmon? Fuck those people especially. Bang on! I also hate the people who lecture on

> people who clutch their pearls when you pair a dry red with your grilled salmon? Fuck those people especially. Bang on! I also hate the people who lecture on how to hold a wine glass.

lopatin 4y ago
What is the stigma about pairing dry red wine with salmon?
- number6 4y ago
  Ohh you wouldn't understand... /s
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Typically white wine is paired with fish, which is very lean and delicate of flavor. (Caveat: salmon, swordfish, tuna, etc. are somewhat oddballs due to their unique flavor profiles) Some would say a dry red wine with grilled salmon is like highlighting with a black sharpie. But, as parent said, if those are flavors you like... it's your tongue you're trying to please, mate! Same reason I gave people zero pushback at ice in wine at weddings. It's 90+ F (32+ C) outside! Do what makes you most happy.
- FredPret 4y ago
  White meat - white wine, red meat - red wine… says the rule
- krisoft 4y ago
  Small picture is that white wines are supposed to pair up better with fish, and chicken while red wines go with red meats. The big picture is that this is a shibboleth[1]. Humans, or some humans, seems to delight in finding ways to define the in-group and the out-group. Signs marking you as an outsider can be anything. Where i have grown up wearing the wrong kind of shoelaces in your boots meant that you are not a “real” rocker but a wannabe. Listening to the “wrong” bands, or listening to the right bands “wrong” can be a similar signifyer. Or wearing socks with your sandal, or asking for ketchup in a high end italian pizza place, or eating pineappe on your pizza. They all signal that you don’t belong to some group because you don’t behave according to some arbitrary norms the group made up for this very purpose. 1: funnily the word itself acts as one. There is of course the biblical story where soldiers where able to tell undercover enemies apart from the general population based on how they pronounced the word shibolleth. But also the fact that someone knows this story can signify that someone is “cultured”, or at least classically read or whatever. (Or as is the case with me had the pleasure of integrating with the authentication system of the same name.)
  - bolasanibk 4y ago
    > But also the fact that someone knows this story can signify that someone is “cultured”, or at least classically read or whatever. Or in my case, watched “West Wing”. :)
  - tremon 4y ago
    They all signal that you don’t belong to some group because you don’t behave according to some arbitrary norms the group made up for this very purpose. Indeed, and we all do it. vi-vs-emacs or tabs-vs-spaces (or bsd-vs-linux, apple-vs-microsoft) aren't any less arbitrary than the other groups you mentioned.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  Bigger heavy reds that were very popular in the not distant past compete with rather than complementing the flavor of the fish. But, do you and have a big chewy red with you fish if you like that.
- naasking 4y ago
  > What is the stigma about pairing dry red wine with salmon? Two flavours can coexist, they can complement, or they can conflict. Generally speaking, red wine conflicts with fish dishes (exceptions to every rule of course). It's a whole thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_and_food_pairing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_and_food_pairing
jrm4 4y ago
That one is especially funny because (like a lot of stuff) the practical sprawled out into the weird and pretentious. Hand makes heat, so heat close to liquid will change the temperature a tiny bit, maybe. You can hold it accordingly, but also, probably doesn't matter if you're drinking relatively quickly.
frutiger 4y ago
There’s a reason a wine glass has a stem, after all. But more seriously, the main reason people don’t hold a glass by the stem is because they are used to receiving too heavy a pour, and it becomes unstable to hold by the stem.
- morelisp 4y ago
  Also most wine (at least in homes, bars, and casual parties) is served far too cold today anyway.
innocentoldguy 4y ago
I prefer my wine in a mug.
amelius 4y ago
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infamous_study_on_wine_tasting.html https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infam... > The Legendary Study That Embarrassed Wine Experts Across the Globe > In a sneaky study, Brochet dyed a white wine red and gave it to 54 oenology (wine science) students. The supposedly expert panel overwhelmingly described the beverage like they would a red wine. They were completely fooled.

> people who clutch their pearls when you pair a dry red with your grilled salmon? Fuck those people especially. Bang on! I also hate the people who lecture on how to hold a wine glass.

lopatin 4y ago

What is the stigma about pairing dry red wine with salmon?

number6 4y ago
Ohh you wouldn't understand... /s
ethbr0 4y ago
Typically white wine is paired with fish, which is very lean and delicate of flavor. (Caveat: salmon, swordfish, tuna, etc. are somewhat oddballs due to their unique flavor profiles) Some would say a dry red wine with grilled salmon is like highlighting with a black sharpie. But, as parent said, if those are flavors you like... it's your tongue you're trying to please, mate! Same reason I gave people zero pushback at ice in wine at weddings. It's 90+ F (32+ C) outside! Do what makes you most happy.
FredPret 4y ago
White meat - white wine, red meat - red wine… says the rule
krisoft 4y ago
Small picture is that white wines are supposed to pair up better with fish, and chicken while red wines go with red meats. The big picture is that this is a shibboleth[1]. Humans, or some humans, seems to delight in finding ways to define the in-group and the out-group. Signs marking you as an outsider can be anything. Where i have grown up wearing the wrong kind of shoelaces in your boots meant that you are not a “real” rocker but a wannabe. Listening to the “wrong” bands, or listening to the right bands “wrong” can be a similar signifyer. Or wearing socks with your sandal, or asking for ketchup in a high end italian pizza place, or eating pineappe on your pizza. They all signal that you don’t belong to some group because you don’t behave according to some arbitrary norms the group made up for this very purpose. 1: funnily the word itself acts as one. There is of course the biblical story where soldiers where able to tell undercover enemies apart from the general population based on how they pronounced the word shibolleth. But also the fact that someone knows this story can signify that someone is “cultured”, or at least classically read or whatever. (Or as is the case with me had the pleasure of integrating with the authentication system of the same name.)
- bolasanibk 4y ago
  > But also the fact that someone knows this story can signify that someone is “cultured”, or at least classically read or whatever. Or in my case, watched “West Wing”. :)
- tremon 4y ago
  They all signal that you don’t belong to some group because you don’t behave according to some arbitrary norms the group made up for this very purpose. Indeed, and we all do it. vi-vs-emacs or tabs-vs-spaces (or bsd-vs-linux, apple-vs-microsoft) aren't any less arbitrary than the other groups you mentioned.
ch4s3 4y ago
Bigger heavy reds that were very popular in the not distant past compete with rather than complementing the flavor of the fish. But, do you and have a big chewy red with you fish if you like that.
naasking 4y ago
> What is the stigma about pairing dry red wine with salmon? Two flavours can coexist, they can complement, or they can conflict. Generally speaking, red wine conflicts with fish dishes (exceptions to every rule of course). It's a whole thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_and_food_pairing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_and_food_pairing

jrm4 4y ago

That one is especially funny because (like a lot of stuff) the practical sprawled out into the weird and pretentious. Hand makes heat, so heat close to liquid will change the temperature a tiny bit, maybe. You can hold it accordingly, but also, probably doesn't matter if you're drinking relatively quickly.

frutiger 4y ago

There’s a reason a wine glass has a stem, after all. But more seriously, the main reason people don’t hold a glass by the stem is because they are used to receiving too heavy a pour, and it becomes unstable to hold by the stem.

morelisp 4y ago
Also most wine (at least in homes, bars, and casual parties) is served far too cold today anyway.

innocentoldguy 4y ago

I prefer my wine in a mug.

amelius 4y ago

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infamous_study_on_wine_tasting.html https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infam... > The Legendary Study That Embarrassed Wine Experts Across the Globe > In a sneaky study, Brochet dyed a white wine red and gave it to 54 oenology (wine science) students. The supposedly expert panel overwhelmingly described the beverage like they would a red wine. They were completely fooled.