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‘Generation sensible’ risk missing out on life experiences, therapists warn

24 points by mjreacher 4y ago

mjreacher 4y ago
study in question: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-4446.12964 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-4446.12964
zcw100 4y ago
“Generation broke” risk missing out on life experiences like having a family or owning a home.
- norwalkbear 4y ago
  That's a good way of putting it.
trasz 4y ago
Isn't it the whole point of being sensible to "miss out" on certain life experiences?
polishdude20 4y ago
Times change. The life experiences of our grandparents and beyond have been vastly different than ours. It will be the same for future generations.
PebblesHD 4y ago
Hard to go out and experience things when you have no money left after rent and food. Like really, how long are previous generations going to carry on like we actually want to live like this? I would love to have a house and start a family and go on holidays and have a fast car, but guess what, when I’m paying most of my money to a 57 year old who owns 6 houses I don’t have much left for life experiences. Sorry this comment is not very constructive, I’m just tired of seeing this type of garbage journalism in every mainstream paper in my country and elsewhere.
- Wyoming23 4y ago
  The article isn't about fast cars or buying houses though. It's about people sitting alone at home on their computer because they're anxious about social interaction. They could go to the park for free with their friends. They could have friends over to their home. They could go to group events/clubs/activities at their university. They could play a board game in person. America before 1950 was poor but social. Most of the world for all of human history has been poor but social. This looks like the USA is heading where Japan already is. Hyper competitive academic culture leads to stressed out, isolated youth obsessed with grades and reputation. The financial aspect is part of it, it's why people care so much about coming out on top, but it's only part of the picture.
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  - PebblesHD 4y ago
    A generation of stressed out young people too tired to go out and do anything after a long day and too anxious to make noise at home because their landlord might kick them out sounds like a fairly reasonable outcome of the economic situation I described above, but I agree, it’s not the thrust of this specific article, which I think misses out on the underlying cause of the change in behaviour.
    - _fat_santa 4y ago
      > A generation of stressed out young people too tired to go out and do anything after a long day and too anxious to make noise at home because their landlord might kick them out This is such an overt generalization. I hate the "woe is me, I work all day and my landlord sucks" narrative because it resigns you to apathy. There are many things outside of your control, but what is in your control is how your respond to them. If you come home an anxious wreck every day, that's not your bosses or your landlords fault, that's your fault.
      - throwaway22032 4y ago
zaptheimpaler 4y ago
Instead, some explain that they see the ‘sensible’ dimension as not related to being intuitively risk averse, but feeling responsible for a worrying, uncertain future... Jennifer explains that they are:hyper-aware of the world as it is and the problems with climate change and the political climate in the world creating pressure on us to be doing our best to be making the world a better place, rather than just like living for the moment and having fun...almost like a scared generation, or a generation who feel the pressure to be not looking out only for ourselves but to be like doing the best we can do for everybody else.
JediLuke 4y ago
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hourago 4y ago
There is a risk that many young people feels that they personally need to fix the world, when it only can be done by political and economic leaders. The message that the most contaminant industries are sending is "You are personally at fault for all pollution" when the reality is that most pollution is created out of our direct capability of influence. I have seen an increase of people sending the message: you can improve the world thru political action. You are not responsible for the world but you can put people in power to fix the environment and keep them accountable. That is way more healthy than to think that one can fix all the world problems by oneself.
- _fat_santa 4y ago
  The message I've heard from other young people around this is: "how can you do A when the world is filled with X, Y and Z", often times the argument is around climate change: "how can I raise a family with the looming climate disaster". My argument has always been that you have to not worry about those things and keep living your life. There very well may be a climate disaster in our lifetimes, but you can't put your life on hold waiting for that moment, live your life and cross that bridge when you get there. Climate change is a perfect example because it's something that's clearly visible, in our faces on the news, and is something that no one individual can do anything about. While I think you should be aware of it (that is don't go around being a climate change denier), I don't think it's something you should "worry" about. Worrying adds a certain level of mental strain, and if you're worrying about all the problems in the world, that small mental strain from every worrying topic starts to add up.
  - salawat 4y ago
    Orrr... You start doing something about it. Make noise, become annoying, work 150% harder than anyone alive should have to be ause that's what it takes to maybe get to a position where one has the access, facts, influence, and opportunity to shift things, hopefully for the better.
    - rdtwo 4y ago
      Nah by the time you get there you will be the villain your were trying to defeat. Even if you win you loose
aaron695 4y ago
joezydeco 4y ago
From my conversations with my teenagers it's the fact that everything and anything they do that's "risky" will be instantly logged and amplified to their friends and peers. They're afraid to do things because everyone is watching them, always. In previous generations you could get away with a lot without many people knowing much less your school administration, college admissions officers, or your employers. Now it's all permanently recorded and searchable.
- zen_1 4y ago
  The phones stay away as much as possible when my friends and I meet in person, just as a matter of courtesy. Nothing's recorded (as far as we know).
norwalkbear 4y ago
Life experiences don't matter when you are in survival mode. This generation gap is unbelievable.
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24 points by mjreacher 4y ago

study in question: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-4446.12964 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-4446.12964

zcw100 4y ago

“Generation broke” risk missing out on life experiences like having a family or owning a home.

norwalkbear 4y ago
That's a good way of putting it.

trasz 4y ago

Isn't it the whole point of being sensible to "miss out" on certain life experiences?

polishdude20 4y ago

Times change. The life experiences of our grandparents and beyond have been vastly different than ours. It will be the same for future generations.

PebblesHD 4y ago

Hard to go out and experience things when you have no money left after rent and food. Like really, how long are previous generations going to carry on like we actually want to live like this? I would love to have a house and start a family and go on holidays and have a fast car, but guess what, when I’m paying most of my money to a 57 year old who owns 6 houses I don’t have much left for life experiences. Sorry this comment is not very constructive, I’m just tired of seeing this type of garbage journalism in every mainstream paper in my country and elsewhere.

Wyoming23 4y ago
The article isn't about fast cars or buying houses though. It's about people sitting alone at home on their computer because they're anxious about social interaction. They could go to the park for free with their friends. They could have friends over to their home. They could go to group events/clubs/activities at their university. They could play a board game in person. America before 1950 was poor but social. Most of the world for all of human history has been poor but social. This looks like the USA is heading where Japan already is. Hyper competitive academic culture leads to stressed out, isolated youth obsessed with grades and reputation. The financial aspect is part of it, it's why people care so much about coming out on top, but it's only part of the picture.
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- PebblesHD 4y ago
  A generation of stressed out young people too tired to go out and do anything after a long day and too anxious to make noise at home because their landlord might kick them out sounds like a fairly reasonable outcome of the economic situation I described above, but I agree, it’s not the thrust of this specific article, which I think misses out on the underlying cause of the change in behaviour.
  - _fat_santa 4y ago
    > A generation of stressed out young people too tired to go out and do anything after a long day and too anxious to make noise at home because their landlord might kick them out This is such an overt generalization. I hate the "woe is me, I work all day and my landlord sucks" narrative because it resigns you to apathy. There are many things outside of your control, but what is in your control is how your respond to them. If you come home an anxious wreck every day, that's not your bosses or your landlords fault, that's your fault.
    - throwaway22032 4y ago

zaptheimpaler 4y ago

Instead, some explain that they see the ‘sensible’ dimension as not related to being intuitively risk averse, but feeling responsible for a worrying, uncertain future... Jennifer explains that they are:hyper-aware of the world as it is and the problems with climate change and the political climate in the world creating pressure on us to be doing our best to be making the world a better place, rather than just like living for the moment and having fun...almost like a scared generation, or a generation who feel the pressure to be not looking out only for ourselves but to be like doing the best we can do for everybody else.

JediLuke 4y ago

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hourago 4y ago

There is a risk that many young people feels that they personally need to fix the world, when it only can be done by political and economic leaders. The message that the most contaminant industries are sending is "You are personally at fault for all pollution" when the reality is that most pollution is created out of our direct capability of influence. I have seen an increase of people sending the message: you can improve the world thru political action. You are not responsible for the world but you can put people in power to fix the environment and keep them accountable. That is way more healthy than to think that one can fix all the world problems by oneself.

_fat_santa 4y ago
The message I've heard from other young people around this is: "how can you do A when the world is filled with X, Y and Z", often times the argument is around climate change: "how can I raise a family with the looming climate disaster". My argument has always been that you have to not worry about those things and keep living your life. There very well may be a climate disaster in our lifetimes, but you can't put your life on hold waiting for that moment, live your life and cross that bridge when you get there. Climate change is a perfect example because it's something that's clearly visible, in our faces on the news, and is something that no one individual can do anything about. While I think you should be aware of it (that is don't go around being a climate change denier), I don't think it's something you should "worry" about. Worrying adds a certain level of mental strain, and if you're worrying about all the problems in the world, that small mental strain from every worrying topic starts to add up.
- salawat 4y ago
  Orrr... You start doing something about it. Make noise, become annoying, work 150% harder than anyone alive should have to be ause that's what it takes to maybe get to a position where one has the access, facts, influence, and opportunity to shift things, hopefully for the better.
  - rdtwo 4y ago
    Nah by the time you get there you will be the villain your were trying to defeat. Even if you win you loose

aaron695 4y ago

joezydeco 4y ago

From my conversations with my teenagers it's the fact that everything and anything they do that's "risky" will be instantly logged and amplified to their friends and peers. They're afraid to do things because everyone is watching them, always. In previous generations you could get away with a lot without many people knowing much less your school administration, college admissions officers, or your employers. Now it's all permanently recorded and searchable.

zen_1 4y ago
The phones stay away as much as possible when my friends and I meet in person, just as a matter of courtesy. Nothing's recorded (as far as we know).

norwalkbear 4y ago

Life experiences don't matter when you are in survival mode. This generation gap is unbelievable.

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