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"we don't want to let people end their life humanely because I think I know better than them about their life. Instead they can end their life inhumanely anyway

"we don't want to let people end their life humanely because I think I know better than them about their life. Instead they can end their life inhumanely anyways." - I rewrote what you were saying to make its intent clearer.

manholio 4y ago
> Instead they can end their life inhumanely anyways That's an option that always exists. I simply have a (much) higher threshold than you in regards to a state killing its own citizens.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  It's not the state that kills, it's the patients that request to have their life ended to avoid interminable suffering. This sort of framing is not helping the discussion at all.
  - manholio 4y ago
drekk 4y ago
"I think 18 year olds should be able to end their lives because they got a bad grade in a class and who knows their life better than them" — I rewrote what you were saying. This strawmanning stuff sure is easy! Patients aren't always rational actors. In the US at least, doctors have < 25 minutes per person. There are well documented biases in medicine (try getting your tubes tied as a single woman) and my concern is that it very easily veers into eugenics territory. If we can't treat something why not screen for it in utero and terminate pregnancies with appreciable odds of developing terminal or chronic diseases with no known cures?
- devwastaken 4y ago
  If they're 18, and can fight to die in foreign sands over oil. They can choose to end their life too. At some point people have rights, and you will respect that.
imtringued 4y ago
It is easy to put people in situations that make them contemplate suicide, deprive them of enough sleep they will become depressed and eventually get in horrible mental states that they want to end and that is the problem, people don't want to die, they want to avoid bad mental states, they want to be healthy. By just euthanizing everyone willy nilly you are depriving them of their option to be healthy and eventually we will continue justifying toxic environments by saying that you can always "leave" if you don't like it.

manholio 4y ago

> Instead they can end their life inhumanely anyways That's an option that always exists. I simply have a (much) higher threshold than you in regards to a state killing its own citizens.

jacquesm 4y ago
It's not the state that kills, it's the patients that request to have their life ended to avoid interminable suffering. This sort of framing is not helping the discussion at all.
- manholio 4y ago

drekk 4y ago

"I think 18 year olds should be able to end their lives because they got a bad grade in a class and who knows their life better than them" — I rewrote what you were saying. This strawmanning stuff sure is easy! Patients aren't always rational actors. In the US at least, doctors have < 25 minutes per person. There are well documented biases in medicine (try getting your tubes tied as a single woman) and my concern is that it very easily veers into eugenics territory. If we can't treat something why not screen for it in utero and terminate pregnancies with appreciable odds of developing terminal or chronic diseases with no known cures?

devwastaken 4y ago
If they're 18, and can fight to die in foreign sands over oil. They can choose to end their life too. At some point people have rights, and you will respect that.

imtringued 4y ago

It is easy to put people in situations that make them contemplate suicide, deprive them of enough sleep they will become depressed and eventually get in horrible mental states that they want to end and that is the problem, people don't want to die, they want to avoid bad mental states, they want to be healthy. By just euthanizing everyone willy nilly you are depriving them of their option to be healthy and eventually we will continue justifying toxic environments by saying that you can always "leave" if you don't like it.