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I think reasonable people can agree that aborting an unborn baby that is conceived 1 day prior is not murder, but a fetus 1 day from birth is a human and killin
by seibelj 4y ago
I think reasonable people can agree that aborting an unborn baby that is conceived 1 day prior is not murder, but a fetus 1 day from birth is a human and killing it is murder. There is some point between 1 day and 9 months where killing the baby is immoral.
Similarly, physician assisted suicide could make sense in some cases. However a chronically depressed patient that is annoying the doctor, I don't approve of offering suicide to. As someone who battled depression for many years and eventually vanquished it, a quick and painless suicide might have made sense when I was at my lowest point. I don't like how easy it has become in Canada according to this article.
- cwillu 4y ago[Upvoted despite significant disagreements, because the downvote button isn't a disagree button]
- lotsofpulp 4y agoNo one is killing fetuses in the 38th week for fun. Not moms, and not doctors. The reason to keep the legal system out of it is because there are a million things that can go wrong in pregnancies and child birth, and the doctor does not need the added complication of having to think about legal liability in the heat of the moment. Women make a tremendous sacrifice when choosing to bear children. The issue of abortion is sufficiently handled between the pregnant mother and doctors. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/raw-data-abortions-by-week-of-pregnancy/ https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/raw-data-abor...
- seibelj 4y agoA baby that will certainly die at birth, or likely cause death to the mother, is one thing. A perfectly healthy baby 1 day before birth that is put to death is entirely different. There is nothing magical about birth that makes it OK to slit the throat of a healthy baby. As a thought experiment, imagine a healthy baby born premature 1 day early. Could you take a knife and stab it to death as it screams and cries? If not, perhaps it is indeed murder.
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- yibg 4y agoThat’s quite the straw man. Can you point to a case where that actually happened?
- barry-cotter 4y agoInfanticide was a completely normal part of life in almost all historical societies though usually by drowning or smothering because they’re quieter. Exceptions are the Egyptians, Jews, Christians and Moslems. The PRC felt the need to legislate against it specifically when they conquered the last of the RoC holdouts in China in 1949 so I don’t think we need to imagine infanticide.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoI am having trouble figuring out why infanticide (killing a baby that has already been born) entered a conversation about ensuring a pregnant mom and doctor are able to make healthcare decisions unencumbered from legal liabilities.
- barry-cotter 4y agoIf you read the post I was replying to or the one it was replying to you may be enlightened.
- bolangi 4y agoI'll add that the French had an anonymous baby depository for women who couldn't afford to care for their children.
- moonchild 4y agoI don't think it's a straw man. They were using a hypothetical scenario as an analogy.
- pyuser583 4y agoCanada allows abortion through the entire pregnancy. Usually abortion and euthanizing can be talked about as very different things. But Canadas unusual laws on both invite comparison.
- BeefWellington 4y agoThis is a bit misleading. Canada has no abortion laws. It did until the late 80s when the courts struck a law against any abortions as being too restrictive and unconstitutional. Laws don't typically allow things, they restrict them.