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“The one moral CEO in America.” That's up there with Ken Lay's proclamation that Enron set the bar for corporate ethics (I can't find the exact quote, and obvio
by blippage 4y ago
“The one moral CEO in America.” That's up there with Ken Lay's proclamation that Enron set the bar for corporate ethics (I can't find the exact quote, and obviously before the collapse).
'The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.' -- Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Anyhoo, I have no actual idea if the accusations against Price are founded or not. That's for the courts to decide. I'm not into the whole "trial by Twitter" thing.
- polote 4y agoI can't understand why people believe the people being able to make the more noise about a topic are actually being the best at that topic. The reality is that the people who get the more noise are just the best marketers
- antupis 4y agoThere has been plenty of those accusations like waterboarding his ex-wife and usually no smoke without a fire is pretty good thumb-rule about these things.
- Lucasoato 4y ago> usually no smoke without a fire is pretty good thumb-rule about these things No, that's exactly the reason why trial by Twitter shouldn't be done, you don't know what actually happened.
- addicted 4y agoThis isn’t trial by Twitter. This is actual human beings approaching legitimate newspapers with fact checking departments and legal departments and risks of defamation lawsuits, providing their stories and attaching their names to it. Everyone of the entities involved are at risk of being sued for defamation if they are lying in this situation. The fact that people can’t tell the difference between Twitter BS and actual news claims is a true indictment of modern society.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y agoSome might see it as a true indictment of modern journalism, more concerned with generating clicks than reporting news. Also the bar for defamation is extremely high, spreading lies is not enough to qualify.
- ignaloidas 4y agoDefamation is a hard thing to prove. For one, the one who publishes must know that something isn't true. Newspapers have zero risk of that when they quote somebody's statement.
- boppo1 4y ago>fact checking departments The age of clickbait has reduced these to a farce. I've seen fact-checks that were blatantly false. There are no reputable papers anymore.
- cardanome 4y agoIf one wanted to wage a dirt campaign against him the accusations would look exactly like they do now. He is obviously a controversial figure. Might have rustled the wrong feathers. Many accusation are also very nebulous, hard to verify and avoiding anything concrete that could get the person making them get sued for defamation. Of course, he also could just be an asshole and abuser. We simply can't know.
- corncheese 4y agoExactly! Also the media should be sharing more of this. Than continue to push out stories that are already resolved. The brother Lucas ended up paying for all the lawyer fees after Dan won the case Interesting how the media continues to bring up the lawsuit but never share the real story and the outcome to the lawsuit. I guess it is more profitable to spread lies. Here is one article sharing the details after the lawsuit with Dan and his brother. People should do more research before blasting opinions. It is terrible what the US is allowed to share and spread buyer to gain more article clicks! https://www.geekwire.com/2016/dan-price-70k-ceo-prevails-suit-filed-brother-gravity-payments-co-owner/ https://www.geekwire.com/2016/dan-price-70k-ceo-prevails-sui...
- listenallyall 4y agoJust curious if you have an opinion regarding Deshaun Watson or his accusers. For context, he is a high-profile quarterback who earlier today was suspended by the NFL, based on a series of mostly anonymous accusations of sexual misconduct.
- kristiandupont 4y agoThe very concept of slander could be defined as "smoke without fire". Surely you agree that slander exists, whether or not it's the case in this particular situation?
- rowanG077 4y agoNo that's the worst rule of thumb. That's how you end up with lynch mobs, witch burning etc.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoAlso, $70K is absolutely terrible in Seattle. I don't know why everyone applauded. He was massively underpaying most employees before and still did after.
- addicted 4y agoEveryone applauded because 70k was a huge improvement over what most people were being paid in Seattle. Not everyone gets paid software developer salaries.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoSure, but his company is a credit card processing company, so there are probably a lot of tech workers. I mean, a quick look at Glassdoor will show that while they do pay their "minimum" wage workers (which is probably an incredibly small part of their employees given the industry it's in) way above market, they underpay the rest and it is mentioned in almost all the negative reviews.
- sokoloff 4y agoSounds like they/he decided to pay their workers more evenly across the different roles. That choice would be internally consistent and desirable for some.
- Broken_Hippo 4y agoYeah, lots of folks make way less than that. $70k is double the minimum wage in Seattle.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoYes but Dan Price owns a company credit card processing company, not somewhere where minimum-wage workers are legion.
- webmobdev 4y agoThat's why you don't judge someone by what they say but what they actually do. Cutting his pay and giving hikes to his employees is commendable. The rest of the allegations against him, not so.
- FiloSottile 4y ago"Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt" is the gate for government violence, but as a society we operate on a very different standard, for very good reasons. Multiple credible accusations, corroborated by contemporaneous accounts, collated by a reputable journalist is definitely enough to call the accusations founded. Not enough to send people with guns to take away his freedom, maybe, but enough to form an opinion. Otherwise, are we supposed to involve the legal system in every assessment we make of anyone?
- Bancakes 4y agoYou may form opinions which are yours to keep. When you enable a hivemind with half the power of the legal system, you ought to bear half the responsibility of the legal system.
- philwelch 4y agoThe legal system is already involved. Why are you so anxious to form an opinion?
- tpoacher 4y agoTell that to Tim Hunt
- joannanewsom 4y agoWhat is the value of forming an opinion about someone we will probably never interact with and has no influence on our lives? I can understand if you work for his company or know him in person. But for the rest of the internet, I don't see the purpose except to fuel outrage.
- rtpg 4y agoI mean… he’s the one out here in front of the press all the time. He was a CEO of a card processing company! There is a universe in which he wouldn’t be a household name. Sure the “outrage” is just high level gossip for most people talking about it, but it’s a reaction to this person being a loud and vocal person who was trying to build a public persona of being a Good Guy. There’s definitely a larger idea here about journalism in general looking for hero stories. But the guy is out there giving the interviews
- subpixel 4y agoThis story isn’t about ‘trial by Twitter’. An online mob isn’t what put this guy’s behavior in the spotlight - it was the reporting done by a journalist who saw through his program and the actions of women who were willing to go to the police, to speak to each other, and to talk to reporters. The power of social media that this story reveals is the degree to which presence and popularity can drown out important information. He just kept rooting his horn and everyone forgot what his wife said.
- corncheese 4y agoI think the media rather profit that share the truth. Many of the women are not credible and can’t get their story straight.