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I can't wait to see the corpse of Tolkein's IP bastardised by more "modern" content. I miss being 10 and watching LoTR for the first time, I genuinely don't th

by tsujp 4y ago

I can't wait to see the corpse of Tolkein's IP bastardised by more "modern" content. I miss being 10 and watching LoTR for the first time, I genuinely don't think I could work up the interest to watch another piece of entertainment released after the disappointment and insanely high levels of bloom-filter in The Hobbit. Amazon's upcoming show does away with the Elvish languages, and the established appearance of the universe.

ejolto 4y ago
> I miss being 10 and watching LoTR for the first time People thought the Peter Jackson LoTR movies bastardized Tolkein's IP too you know, in particular Christopher Tolkien was not a fan.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  I still view the LoTR movies that way.
- Ntrails 4y ago
  They did, it is not really up for debate. Whether they were good or not is up to the viewer
Victerius 4y ago
I agree with you that the Legendarium is worthy of respect and that it's even sacred to a degree. I also found the Hobbit movies disappointing. That said: > Amazon's upcoming show does away with the Elvish languages This is not accurate. > In the first of five planned seasons for The Rings of Power, the show makes heavy use of Elvish, Dwarvish, and Orcish, in addition to English flavored with British and Irish palettes. https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-rings-of-power-dialect-coach-leith-mcpherson https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/amazon-lord-of-the-rin... The show has a dialect coach: https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/the-rings-of-power-dialect-coach-explains-the-difference-between-elvish-and-orcish-languages/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/the-rings-of-power-diale... > the established appearance of the universe. Is this about the brown-skinned male Elf and the brown-skinned and beardless female Dwarf? This horse has been beaten to death and back on YouTube and Reddit, and the consensus is that it's fine and faithful to the texts.
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  > the consensus is that it's fine and faithful to the texts. Huh? Consensus is a strong word. When and on what basis was such consensus reached? Which lines by Tolkien allow for such an obvious change?
  - aliswe 4y ago
    obviously, consensus amongst the people worth of asking when reaching consensus :) just teasing.
Eupraxias 4y ago
The first reaction in my heart was sadness at this news, complete with many of the thoughts you shared here. But look at it another way - we were lucky enough to experience it before all of the blooming enhancements. Also, as annoyed as I also am, it means that even more people will gain familiarity with the general mythology, which is a good thing. Mythology grows when it is adapted, modified, reimagined, and altered, often imbuing it with fresh vitality and cultural relevance. Consider how many variations are represented in nearly every Ancient Greek myth. I, for one, am delighted that Tolkien's work has risen to the level of myth, and not contained to only his own creative project. Despite my deep love of Tolkien's work, I do not intend to watch a minute of the new stuff. I wish them luck!
- sogen 4y ago
  Will have to Google what is this bloom thing. Haven’t seen the movies.
  - aliswe 4y ago
    bloom is basically a hazy shine
  - lioeters 4y ago
    > insanely high levels of bloom-filter in The Hobbit Looks like they mean bloom effect: > Bloom (shader effect) - a computer graphics effect used in video games, demos, and high-dynamic-range rendering (HDRR) to reproduce an imaging artifact of real-world cameras. The effect produces fringes (or feathers) of light extending from the borders of bright areas in an image, contributing to the illusion of an extremely bright light overwhelming the camera or eye capturing the scene. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) --- At first I thought of a "bloom filter", a kind of data structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter
willismichael 4y ago
When people mention the high levels of bloom-filter in the Hobbit, is it also an oblique reference to all of those scenes with Orlando Bloom galavanting about?
jfengel 4y ago
You should have a look at Lord of the Rings Online, an MMORPG set in Middle-earth. They have an extraordinary devotion to Tolkien's text. It's worthwhile to Tolkien fans just as a way of visualizing his world, even without the gameplay. It incorporates details that most readers gloss over in reading. It's an example of how it's possible to be deeply respectful of the material while extending it and exploring it. I have no idea if "Embracer" is going to achieve that or not, but it means I'm going to keep an open mind about it.

by tsujp 4y ago

ejolto 4y ago

> I miss being 10 and watching LoTR for the first time People thought the Peter Jackson LoTR movies bastardized Tolkein's IP too you know, in particular Christopher Tolkien was not a fan.

LAC-Tech 4y ago
I still view the LoTR movies that way.
Ntrails 4y ago
They did, it is not really up for debate. Whether they were good or not is up to the viewer

Victerius 4y ago

I agree with you that the Legendarium is worthy of respect and that it's even sacred to a degree. I also found the Hobbit movies disappointing. That said: > Amazon's upcoming show does away with the Elvish languages This is not accurate. > In the first of five planned seasons for The Rings of Power, the show makes heavy use of Elvish, Dwarvish, and Orcish, in addition to English flavored with British and Irish palettes. https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-rings-of-power-dialect-coach-leith-mcpherson https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/amazon-lord-of-the-rin... The show has a dialect coach: https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/the-rings-of-power-dialect-coach-explains-the-difference-between-elvish-and-orcish-languages/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/the-rings-of-power-diale... > the established appearance of the universe. Is this about the brown-skinned male Elf and the brown-skinned and beardless female Dwarf? This horse has been beaten to death and back on YouTube and Reddit, and the consensus is that it's fine and faithful to the texts.

DocTomoe 4y ago
> the consensus is that it's fine and faithful to the texts. Huh? Consensus is a strong word. When and on what basis was such consensus reached? Which lines by Tolkien allow for such an obvious change?
- aliswe 4y ago
  obviously, consensus amongst the people worth of asking when reaching consensus :) just teasing.

Eupraxias 4y ago

The first reaction in my heart was sadness at this news, complete with many of the thoughts you shared here. But look at it another way - we were lucky enough to experience it before all of the blooming enhancements. Also, as annoyed as I also am, it means that even more people will gain familiarity with the general mythology, which is a good thing. Mythology grows when it is adapted, modified, reimagined, and altered, often imbuing it with fresh vitality and cultural relevance. Consider how many variations are represented in nearly every Ancient Greek myth. I, for one, am delighted that Tolkien's work has risen to the level of myth, and not contained to only his own creative project. Despite my deep love of Tolkien's work, I do not intend to watch a minute of the new stuff. I wish them luck!

sogen 4y ago
Will have to Google what is this bloom thing. Haven’t seen the movies.
- aliswe 4y ago
  bloom is basically a hazy shine
- lioeters 4y ago
  > insanely high levels of bloom-filter in The Hobbit Looks like they mean bloom effect: > Bloom (shader effect) - a computer graphics effect used in video games, demos, and high-dynamic-range rendering (HDRR) to reproduce an imaging artifact of real-world cameras. The effect produces fringes (or feathers) of light extending from the borders of bright areas in an image, contributing to the illusion of an extremely bright light overwhelming the camera or eye capturing the scene. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) --- At first I thought of a "bloom filter", a kind of data structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter

willismichael 4y ago

When people mention the high levels of bloom-filter in the Hobbit, is it also an oblique reference to all of those scenes with Orlando Bloom galavanting about?

jfengel 4y ago

You should have a look at Lord of the Rings Online, an MMORPG set in Middle-earth. They have an extraordinary devotion to Tolkien's text. It's worthwhile to Tolkien fans just as a way of visualizing his world, even without the gameplay. It incorporates details that most readers gloss over in reading. It's an example of how it's possible to be deeply respectful of the material while extending it and exploring it. I have no idea if "Embracer" is going to achieve that or not, but it means I'm going to keep an open mind about it.