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> by giving human populations such artificial resistances (non-live vaccines) we run the risk of selecting for viruses that are even harder for even our own imm

> by giving human populations such artificial resistances (non-live vaccines) we run the risk of selecting for viruses that are even harder for even our own immune systems to detect and destroy That'd be a valid question if we didn't ready have non-live vaccines with very good proven track records for polio, hepatitis, the flu, etc. > Current Covid strains don’t seem all that bad, basically everyone I know has been infected now. And here comes the covid denial argument. Relentlessly repeating the same loaded arguments again and again. > Might we run the risk of making things worse at this point? Yeah, but what about wind turbine's rare earth ? It's really polluting ! And what if climate change has more benefits than problems once we have adapted, uh ?

jjcon 4y ago
Where did I deny Covid? I simply asked if stronger vaccines could lead to stronger viruses and make things worse than they already are
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  No, you did not simply ask that. You also said Covid is now not that bad and implied it's okay to be infected since everyone you know has been infected now.
  - jjcon 4y ago
    Assume good faith - its in the rules friend (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) If that is what you took from my comment I apologize that isn't what I intended to convey at all. I did however intend to ask a question about the topic at hand (broader vaccines) in our current situation which is categorically improved relative to early covid
ehvatum 4y ago
To be fair, you are stigmatizing someone for offering a correct observation (that the successive COVID variants have proven less debilitating and deadly) and for asking a question that must be on many people’s minds: can monoclonal antibody administration promote resistance analogous to bacterial antibiotic resistance? Be aware that live virus vaccines are certainly not monoclonal antibody injections. As well, rather than spending your mental energy developing excuses to dismiss, why not think on the subject at hand? You should wonder why this mouse model produces broadly neutralizing antibodies in response to COVID spike proteins while the human immune system does not. That’s a bit interesting to the subject of COVID, isn’t it? Certainly more so than windmills and politics.
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  > To be fair, you are stigmatizing someone for offering a correct observation (that the successive COVID variants have proven less debilitating and deadly) and for asking a question that must be on many people’s minds: can monoclonal antibody administration promote resistance analogous to bacterial antibiotic resistance? No, I am singling out another comment which spreads doubts and denial by hiding them among good faith arguments. For instance: > (that the successive COVID variants have proven less debilitating and deadly) Doesn't mean it's not debilitating and deadly. > basically everyone I know has been infected now. And I haven't and neither my best friend nor my parents did. But my brother did and another friend did. Guess which one is complaining 6 months later of symptoms that are not going away ? > As well, rather than spending your mental energy developing excuses to dismiss, why not think on the subject at hand? You should wonder why this mouse model produces broadly neutralizing antibodies in response to COVID spike proteins while the human immune system does not. > That’s a bit interesting to the subject of COVID, isn’t it? Certainly more so than windmills and politics. I believe Covid was and is still dangerous and not to be taken lightly because "most people I know has been infected and successive strains are less deadly" (the last one being also dodgy since it might as well be less deadly for an individual but more deadly for a population if it infects much more people, anyway...). That's as worthy to discuss as the core of the submission is.
  - jjcon 4y ago
    > by hiding them among good faith arguments It is literally in the HN rules that you are supposed to assume good faith, not concoct false attributions of intent and conspiracy. I did not intend to hide anything, I was earnestly asking a question (clearly shared by plenty others in this post). It should not upset you this much. I apologize for anything triggering to you that I said, that wasn't my intent. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - johnchristopher 4y ago
      > It should not upset you this much. The question pertaining to the core of the submission does not upset me, nor do I find it in bad faith (that one I assume good faith since it's legitimate). > Current Covid strains don’t seem all that bad, basically everyone I know has been infected now. This, does. Because it has nothing to do with the submission but all with covid minmizing thrown in after a legitimate question. > I apologize for anything triggering and > Assume good faith - its in the rules friend (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) This wording (emphasis mine) tells me all there is to know about why I shouldn't explain myself to you.

jjcon 4y ago

Where did I deny Covid? I simply asked if stronger vaccines could lead to stronger viruses and make things worse than they already are

johnchristopher 4y ago
No, you did not simply ask that. You also said Covid is now not that bad and implied it's okay to be infected since everyone you know has been infected now.
- jjcon 4y ago
  Assume good faith - its in the rules friend (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) If that is what you took from my comment I apologize that isn't what I intended to convey at all. I did however intend to ask a question about the topic at hand (broader vaccines) in our current situation which is categorically improved relative to early covid

ehvatum 4y ago

To be fair, you are stigmatizing someone for offering a correct observation (that the successive COVID variants have proven less debilitating and deadly) and for asking a question that must be on many people’s minds: can monoclonal antibody administration promote resistance analogous to bacterial antibiotic resistance? Be aware that live virus vaccines are certainly not monoclonal antibody injections. As well, rather than spending your mental energy developing excuses to dismiss, why not think on the subject at hand? You should wonder why this mouse model produces broadly neutralizing antibodies in response to COVID spike proteins while the human immune system does not. That’s a bit interesting to the subject of COVID, isn’t it? Certainly more so than windmills and politics.

johnchristopher 4y ago
> To be fair, you are stigmatizing someone for offering a correct observation (that the successive COVID variants have proven less debilitating and deadly) and for asking a question that must be on many people’s minds: can monoclonal antibody administration promote resistance analogous to bacterial antibiotic resistance? No, I am singling out another comment which spreads doubts and denial by hiding them among good faith arguments. For instance: > (that the successive COVID variants have proven less debilitating and deadly) Doesn't mean it's not debilitating and deadly. > basically everyone I know has been infected now. And I haven't and neither my best friend nor my parents did. But my brother did and another friend did. Guess which one is complaining 6 months later of symptoms that are not going away ? > As well, rather than spending your mental energy developing excuses to dismiss, why not think on the subject at hand? You should wonder why this mouse model produces broadly neutralizing antibodies in response to COVID spike proteins while the human immune system does not. > That’s a bit interesting to the subject of COVID, isn’t it? Certainly more so than windmills and politics. I believe Covid was and is still dangerous and not to be taken lightly because "most people I know has been infected and successive strains are less deadly" (the last one being also dodgy since it might as well be less deadly for an individual but more deadly for a population if it infects much more people, anyway...). That's as worthy to discuss as the core of the submission is.
- jjcon 4y ago
  > by hiding them among good faith arguments It is literally in the HN rules that you are supposed to assume good faith, not concoct false attributions of intent and conspiracy. I did not intend to hide anything, I was earnestly asking a question (clearly shared by plenty others in this post). It should not upset you this much. I apologize for anything triggering to you that I said, that wasn't my intent. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - johnchristopher 4y ago
    > It should not upset you this much. The question pertaining to the core of the submission does not upset me, nor do I find it in bad faith (that one I assume good faith since it's legitimate). > Current Covid strains don’t seem all that bad, basically everyone I know has been infected now. This, does. Because it has nothing to do with the submission but all with covid minmizing thrown in after a legitimate question. > I apologize for anything triggering and > Assume good faith - its in the rules friend (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) This wording (emphasis mine) tells me all there is to know about why I shouldn't explain myself to you.