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"The fact that no one in academia has spoke up on this case is damming to say the least." I'm an academic and I think it's a load of rubbish. Where are you get

by glimcat 15y ago

"The fact that no one in academia has spoke up on this case is damming to say the least." I'm an academic and I think it's a load of rubbish. Where are you getting your facts?

kls 15y ago
I have seen no media coverage of anyone at MIT or elsewhere condemning the prosecution of Aaron. Nor have I seen any renowned individual of academia, at any point, blog, pod-cast, or via lecture condemn the prosecution of Aaron, just because one may think it is rubbish does not mean that they have given their voice to the subject. The fact is there has been silence on the issue, and that fact is derived from the silence, not from a human or media source. If I am wrong I would love to be corrected, but I have not, to this date, seen anyone of notoriety from MIT speak up.
- glimcat 15y ago
  So which is it? Academics, or a notorious MIT professor? You're blaming the problem on completely the wrong party to begin with. Academic researchers are getting screwed by groups like JSTOR on a regular basis. There are gorram huge movements in academia dedicated to working on this problem. You're blaming the people who are actually doing the most to try to fix this.
  - lambda 15y ago
    Well, to be fair, who is "Academia"? Is it the professors? Is it the administrations? Is it the whole system, including universities (and all of their issues down to football team scandals), publishers, college admissions tests, and so on? The thing is, there is a fairly substantial system set up around academia. It includes people who run conferences, publishers, school administrators, endowments, students, admissions, government grants, private grants, standardized testing, and more. There is a lot of it that is fairly nasty. Sure, there can be a few professors who object to some parts of it; but that doesn't mean that the system as a whole isn't sick. Has there been any serious institutional pushback against this prosecution? I think that part of the the problem is that the people who matter the most in academia (the professors and the students) have lost their voice to the "industry" of academia; the administrations, publishers, the grant funding bodies, and other people who have a vested financial interest in the system, but who aren't the main producers or consumers of the value of academia.

by glimcat 15y ago

"The fact that no one in academia has spoke up on this case is damming to say the least." I'm an academic and I think it's a load of rubbish. Where are you getting your facts?

kls 15y ago

I have seen no media coverage of anyone at MIT or elsewhere condemning the prosecution of Aaron. Nor have I seen any renowned individual of academia, at any point, blog, pod-cast, or via lecture condemn the prosecution of Aaron, just because one may think it is rubbish does not mean that they have given their voice to the subject. The fact is there has been silence on the issue, and that fact is derived from the silence, not from a human or media source. If I am wrong I would love to be corrected, but I have not, to this date, seen anyone of notoriety from MIT speak up.

glimcat 15y ago
So which is it? Academics, or a notorious MIT professor? You're blaming the problem on completely the wrong party to begin with. Academic researchers are getting screwed by groups like JSTOR on a regular basis. There are gorram huge movements in academia dedicated to working on this problem. You're blaming the people who are actually doing the most to try to fix this.
- lambda 15y ago
  Well, to be fair, who is "Academia"? Is it the professors? Is it the administrations? Is it the whole system, including universities (and all of their issues down to football team scandals), publishers, college admissions tests, and so on? The thing is, there is a fairly substantial system set up around academia. It includes people who run conferences, publishers, school administrators, endowments, students, admissions, government grants, private grants, standardized testing, and more. There is a lot of it that is fairly nasty. Sure, there can be a few professors who object to some parts of it; but that doesn't mean that the system as a whole isn't sick. Has there been any serious institutional pushback against this prosecution? I think that part of the the problem is that the people who matter the most in academia (the professors and the students) have lost their voice to the "industry" of academia; the administrations, publishers, the grant funding bodies, and other people who have a vested financial interest in the system, but who aren't the main producers or consumers of the value of academia.