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If only Raspberry Pi's weren't damn near $200 now...

by rabuse 4y ago

mmastrac 4y ago
Is that just on the secondary market(s)? I'm still seeing them available <$100 in various models, but not always in-stock.
lathiat 4y ago
Try https://rpilocator.com/ https://rpilocator.com/ - no promises though.
greggyb 4y ago
Unless you are constrained in space to a single ITX case as in this example, you can get whole x86 machines for <$100 with RAM and storage included. There is a lot of choice in the <$150 range. You could get eight of these and a cheap 10-port switch for any kind of clustering lab you want to set up. Here is an example: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804328705784.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4df06082Dv2Ht3&algo_pvid=ae0b3514-36c3-4c7a-8b4c-1b32825d286f&algo_exp_id=ae0b3514-36c3-4c7a-8b4c-1b32825d286f-7&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029435526857%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21124.28%2187.0%21%21%21%21%21%402101e9cf16607501783027265e0df9%2112000029435526857%21sea&curPageLogUid=YZExMcNI3qO0 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804328705784.html?spm=a2...
- Asdrubalini 4y ago
  What is the power consumption tho? It easily adds up over time.
  - greggyb 4y ago
    The linked machine uses a 2W processor. The successor product on the company's site uses a 12 volt, 2 amp power adapter: https://www.bee-link.net/products/t4-pro https://www.bee-link.net/products/t4-pro Here is a YouTube review of the linked model with input power listed at 12 volt, 1.5 amp (link to timestamp of bottom of unit): https://youtu.be/56UA2Uto1ns?t=129 https://youtu.be/56UA2Uto1ns?t=129
  - belval 4y ago
    A low-end x86 CPU will perform better than the RasPis. My current NAS is an Intel G4560 with 40GB of RAM and 4 HDD and it barely does over ~40W on average. The article's cluster does 18W which is better, but even over a year that's only a 192kWh difference (assuming that is runs all the time) which would amount to about 40$ at $0.20/kWh. It's not really worth comparing further as the configuration are significantly different, but if your goal is doing 110MB/s R/W, even when accounting for power consumption the product in the article is much more expensive.
    - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
      I don't know much about NAS and thought they were just a bundle of drives with some [media] access related apps on a longer cable ... 40G RAM? What's that for, is it normal for a NAS to be so loaded? I was looking at NAS and people were talking about 1G as being standard (which conversely seemed really low). G4560 suggests you're not processing much, is the NAS caching a lot?
      - belval 4y ago
        40G is purely overkill and is not utilized. Initial build had 8G and then I had 32G lying around so I added it. 4G is probably enough. Though nextcloud does use a lot of memory for miniature generation. As for the G4560, I can stream 1080p with jellyfin so it packs a surprising punch for it's power envelope.
    - formerly_proven 4y ago
      Even for mainsteam x86 Intel chips idle power consumption is mostly down to peripherals, power supply (if you build a small NAS that idles on 2-3 W on the 12 V rail and can't pull more than 50 W, don't use a 650 W PSU), cooling fans, and whether someone forgot to enable power management.
    - SparkyMcUnicorn 4y ago
      The HP 290 idles around 10W. Picked one up off craigslist for ~$50 and use it as a plex transcoder since it has QuickSync and can simultaneously transcode around 20 streams of 1080p content.
  - jotm 4y ago
    I hear it's still possible, through heretic magic, to limit a CPUs power draw and most importantly, it will not affect speed on any level (load will increase). There's even people selling their souls to the devil for the ability to control the actual voltage of their chips, increasing performance per watt drawn! But only Gods and top OSS contributors can control the power draw of chips integrated into drives/extension cards/etc
- criddell 4y ago
  Would one of the boards from Pine work for this application? https://pine64.com/product/pine-a64-lts/ https://pine64.com/product/pine-a64-lts/
  - RL_Quine 4y ago
    No, those are nasty slow.
- dpedu 4y ago
  Same cpu, half the ram, quarter the price if you don't mind going used: https://www.ebay.com/itm/154960426458 https://www.ebay.com/itm/154960426458 These are thin clients but flip an option in the bios and it's a regular pc.
  - greggyb 4y ago
    Yes. I just figured I would compare new for new. I love eBay for electronics shopping.
  - kcb 4y ago
    Surprised someone mentioned these. I picked up 2 of them a while back when you could get them individually for ~$30. I'm using one at a vacation home with zigbee/zwave2mqtt which then lets me integrate it all into home assistant at the main house. Been super stable and small enough to tuck away in a closet. Only downside is the limited 8gb storage, but it's enough for a minimal linux install with a couple containers. You just can't beat a regular x86 pc when it comes to just being able to install an up to date distro of choice.
Rackedup 4y ago
Adafruit had some in stock a few minutes ago: https://twitter.com/rpilocator https://twitter.com/rpilocator ... I think every Wednesday around 11am ... I almost got one this time, but because they had me setup 2FA I couldn't checkout on time.
snak 4y ago
Wow, just checked and Pi 3 is over 100€, and Pi 4 over 200€. What happened? I remember buying a Pi 3B+ in 2019 for less than 50€.

If only Raspberry Pi's weren't damn near $200 now...

by rabuse 4y ago

If only Raspberry Pi's weren't damn near $200 now...

Is that just on the secondary market(s)? I'm still seeing them available <$100 in various models, but not always in-stock.

lathiat 4y ago

Try https://rpilocator.com/ https://rpilocator.com/ - no promises though.

greggyb 4y ago

Unless you are constrained in space to a single ITX case as in this example, you can get whole x86 machines for <$100 with RAM and storage included. There is a lot of choice in the <$150 range. You could get eight of these and a cheap 10-port switch for any kind of clustering lab you want to set up. Here is an example: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804328705784.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4df06082Dv2Ht3&algo_pvid=ae0b3514-36c3-4c7a-8b4c-1b32825d286f&algo_exp_id=ae0b3514-36c3-4c7a-8b4c-1b32825d286f-7&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029435526857%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21124.28%2187.0%21%21%21%21%21%402101e9cf16607501783027265e0df9%2112000029435526857%21sea&curPageLogUid=YZExMcNI3qO0 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804328705784.html?spm=a2...

Asdrubalini 4y ago
What is the power consumption tho? It easily adds up over time.
- greggyb 4y ago
  The linked machine uses a 2W processor. The successor product on the company's site uses a 12 volt, 2 amp power adapter: https://www.bee-link.net/products/t4-pro https://www.bee-link.net/products/t4-pro Here is a YouTube review of the linked model with input power listed at 12 volt, 1.5 amp (link to timestamp of bottom of unit): https://youtu.be/56UA2Uto1ns?t=129 https://youtu.be/56UA2Uto1ns?t=129
- belval 4y ago
  A low-end x86 CPU will perform better than the RasPis. My current NAS is an Intel G4560 with 40GB of RAM and 4 HDD and it barely does over ~40W on average. The article's cluster does 18W which is better, but even over a year that's only a 192kWh difference (assuming that is runs all the time) which would amount to about 40$ at $0.20/kWh. It's not really worth comparing further as the configuration are significantly different, but if your goal is doing 110MB/s R/W, even when accounting for power consumption the product in the article is much more expensive.
  - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
    I don't know much about NAS and thought they were just a bundle of drives with some [media] access related apps on a longer cable ... 40G RAM? What's that for, is it normal for a NAS to be so loaded? I was looking at NAS and people were talking about 1G as being standard (which conversely seemed really low). G4560 suggests you're not processing much, is the NAS caching a lot?
    - belval 4y ago
      40G is purely overkill and is not utilized. Initial build had 8G and then I had 32G lying around so I added it. 4G is probably enough. Though nextcloud does use a lot of memory for miniature generation. As for the G4560, I can stream 1080p with jellyfin so it packs a surprising punch for it's power envelope.
  - formerly_proven 4y ago
    Even for mainsteam x86 Intel chips idle power consumption is mostly down to peripherals, power supply (if you build a small NAS that idles on 2-3 W on the 12 V rail and can't pull more than 50 W, don't use a 650 W PSU), cooling fans, and whether someone forgot to enable power management.
  - SparkyMcUnicorn 4y ago
    The HP 290 idles around 10W. Picked one up off craigslist for ~$50 and use it as a plex transcoder since it has QuickSync and can simultaneously transcode around 20 streams of 1080p content.
- jotm 4y ago
  I hear it's still possible, through heretic magic, to limit a CPUs power draw and most importantly, it will not affect speed on any level (load will increase). There's even people selling their souls to the devil for the ability to control the actual voltage of their chips, increasing performance per watt drawn! But only Gods and top OSS contributors can control the power draw of chips integrated into drives/extension cards/etc
criddell 4y ago
Would one of the boards from Pine work for this application? https://pine64.com/product/pine-a64-lts/ https://pine64.com/product/pine-a64-lts/
- RL_Quine 4y ago
  No, those are nasty slow.
dpedu 4y ago
Same cpu, half the ram, quarter the price if you don't mind going used: https://www.ebay.com/itm/154960426458 https://www.ebay.com/itm/154960426458 These are thin clients but flip an option in the bios and it's a regular pc.
- greggyb 4y ago
  Yes. I just figured I would compare new for new. I love eBay for electronics shopping.
- kcb 4y ago
  Surprised someone mentioned these. I picked up 2 of them a while back when you could get them individually for ~$30. I'm using one at a vacation home with zigbee/zwave2mqtt which then lets me integrate it all into home assistant at the main house. Been super stable and small enough to tuck away in a closet. Only downside is the limited 8gb storage, but it's enough for a minimal linux install with a couple containers. You just can't beat a regular x86 pc when it comes to just being able to install an up to date distro of choice.

Rackedup 4y ago

Adafruit had some in stock a few minutes ago: https://twitter.com/rpilocator https://twitter.com/rpilocator ... I think every Wednesday around 11am ... I almost got one this time, but because they had me setup 2FA I couldn't checkout on time.

snak 4y ago

Wow, just checked and Pi 3 is over 100€, and Pi 4 over 200€. What happened? I remember buying a Pi 3B+ in 2019 for less than 50€.