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When did the US 'flex their muscles' over Ukraine? There was absolutely zero talk of the US/NATO directly intervening militarily in Ukraine. As for Taiwan, it'

by rocgf 4y ago

When did the US 'flex their muscles' over Ukraine? There was absolutely zero talk of the US/NATO directly intervening militarily in Ukraine. As for Taiwan, it's an unknown and if you claim otherwise, you're doing it based on nothing. Biden has clearly and repeatedly stated that the US would defend Taiwan. Not saying the US actually wants to, maybe it's just a deterrent. However, if China does attack and the US backs off, that would mean the end of American supremacy regardless.

deepdriver 4y ago
>There was absolutely zero talk of the US/NATO directly intervening militarily in Ukraine. NPR hosted the former commander of NATO who called for the US to enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine, to include shooting down Russian jets. Numerous Senators and Congressmen backed one as well. https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084310587/former-nato-commander-says-a-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-must-be-on-the-table https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084310587/former-nato-comman...
- porbelm 4y ago
  Yeah but the U.S. didn't do that, did they?
  - deepdriver 4y ago
    The assertion was "zero talk" of such intervention, my point is that there quite a lot of public and private discussion on the matter. Yes, Biden ultimately shot down the idea (thankfully). Unsettling to me that it picked up enough steam where he felt he had to make a statement on it.
mytailorisrich 4y ago
> Biden has clearly and repeatedly stated that the US would defend Taiwan And he was rebutted by the White House when it looked like he meant that the US would intervene militarily No-one doubts that the US would help, e.g. by supplying intelligence, weapons, etc. as they do now. But they would not send troops and they would not engage (nice word to mean 'attack') the Chinese.
- nradov 4y ago
  That's an open question, and the reality is that you have no clue what will really happen. Most likely the US would intervene militarily at some level with sea and air attacks, perhaps a blockade.
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    No, we have a good idea of what will happen and the US have always given clues in their actions (which have been to help but to never commit to intervene because, well, they know they won't...) > Most likely the US would intervene militarily at some level with sea and air attacks That's extremely unlikely to inconceivable because, again, the USA are not going to start a war with China because there's no path to winning, only to nuclear annihilation. Both sides know that. Both sides will not attack each other whatever happens.
    - rdtwo 4y ago
      Exactly limited warfare maybe to keep each other behind red lines. It’s bad though because sometimes there are mistakes and escalation

by rocgf 4y ago

deepdriver 4y ago

>There was absolutely zero talk of the US/NATO directly intervening militarily in Ukraine. NPR hosted the former commander of NATO who called for the US to enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine, to include shooting down Russian jets. Numerous Senators and Congressmen backed one as well. https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084310587/former-nato-commander-says-a-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-must-be-on-the-table https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084310587/former-nato-comman...

porbelm 4y ago
Yeah but the U.S. didn't do that, did they?
- deepdriver 4y ago
  The assertion was "zero talk" of such intervention, my point is that there quite a lot of public and private discussion on the matter. Yes, Biden ultimately shot down the idea (thankfully). Unsettling to me that it picked up enough steam where he felt he had to make a statement on it.

mytailorisrich 4y ago

> Biden has clearly and repeatedly stated that the US would defend Taiwan And he was rebutted by the White House when it looked like he meant that the US would intervene militarily No-one doubts that the US would help, e.g. by supplying intelligence, weapons, etc. as they do now. But they would not send troops and they would not engage (nice word to mean 'attack') the Chinese.

nradov 4y ago
That's an open question, and the reality is that you have no clue what will really happen. Most likely the US would intervene militarily at some level with sea and air attacks, perhaps a blockade.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  No, we have a good idea of what will happen and the US have always given clues in their actions (which have been to help but to never commit to intervene because, well, they know they won't...) > Most likely the US would intervene militarily at some level with sea and air attacks That's extremely unlikely to inconceivable because, again, the USA are not going to start a war with China because there's no path to winning, only to nuclear annihilation. Both sides know that. Both sides will not attack each other whatever happens.
  - rdtwo 4y ago
    Exactly limited warfare maybe to keep each other behind red lines. It’s bad though because sometimes there are mistakes and escalation