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None of those are bugs, just differences. sounds like you tried for a day and were annoyed it's not exactly as you are used to. Most of your issues simply work

None of those are bugs, just differences. sounds like you tried for a day and were annoyed it's not exactly as you are used to. Most of your issues simply work differently on macos, and many have been since before kde existed. Sure some could be better, but changing these would upset the whole user base. (And mac users could claim those things broken in kde in the same way) I have used windows, gnome2, gnome3, xfce, mac and so on and dislike kde, and gnome3, and all the others. Even mac is really dumb sometimes, but macos is the most polished by far.

michaelmrose 4y ago
Most entries in posters list are complaints with how things work. Two of these seem like bugs. > Sometimes audio balance will randomly shift to the left or right with bluetooth headphones > There is a delay of ~100ms when pushing caps lock Another seems objective not subjective > Pressing enter in Finder renames a file instead of opening it Who thinks the enter to rename is reasonable?
- LeoNatan25 4y ago
  > Who thinks the enter to rename is reasonable? Decades of MacOS users?
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  Audio balance seems like a bug. Caps Lock delay seems like accidental activation prevention. Who thinks F2 to rename is reasonable?
  - gattilorenz 4y ago
    > Audio balance seems like a bug A long standing one actually. I remember having it in Mojave/El Capitan already on my 2102 MBP. The others are annoyances from not being familiar with the UI, some more motivated than others. But let’s recall the sad story of the thumbnails in GNOME’s file picker, for a second…
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    Having it delayed by a portion of a second can never in any way shape or form prevent accidental activation as you don't have time to notice and correct the matter. It IS just enough to prevent several characters from being entered in the correct case. Users expect actions to match the sequence of inputs. If the user can type CAPS and "TITLE" and get "tITLE" its a bug. Basically 50 years of computer interfaces of all kids across all OS across planet earth use enter or return for activation. This includes Mac in all other contexts. F2 to rename dates back to windows 3.1 with environments like KDE using the same key that is familiar to windows users. Like many things it is an arbitrary choice without any inherently correct answer. The nice thing about it is in dolphin is that one can easily discover this by right clicking a file or folder and noting the shortcut listed beside the action so you can both complete the task visually immediately and learn the hotkey easily.
    - pseudalopex 4y ago
      Older MacBooks activate Caps Lock instantly. Recent MacBooks activate Caps Lock after the key is held long enough. Bugs are when systems don't work as intended. Intent you don't like isn't a bug. Enter or return does different things in different contexts. Its most frequent functions are go to a new line or end text entry. Saying it means activate and implying activate means open is trying to find consistency where it isn't. And what it does in Finder is what it does in other text fields. Return for rename is older than Windows 3.1. The error rate for pressing F2 is high for something so common as rename.
still_grokking 4y ago
And what about all the bugs Apple seems to add on a daily basis and not fixing them than for month, years, or actually ever? I can read in the news more or less every day that fundamental things like input devices, monitors, audio, or basic GUI features are messed up or bluntly broken in macOS. People already "joking" that one needs to way at least two or three point releases before trying out major updates. That's even worse than the situation on Windows by now (and MS is also breaking things with every update). As a Linux user that uses a "perpetual beta" distri (Debian Testing) I'm horrified about such news. Comparable breakage does happen on my OS maybe 2 times in a decade on average, and when some catastrophe like that happens (monitor stops working, no audio, USB not working, or such) it's usually fixed within hours!
- JacobSeated 4y ago
  The alternative for "maximize" on Mac is to simply double click the Window, although some Windows do not have much of a "title" or "bar" to click on, because of modern simplification of GUIs, and this can cause accidents to happen. Still, I will argue it is incorrect to have the maximize button do something that I hardly ever need to do, that is, enter full screen for the given window. Both Gnome and KDE are better desktop environments, heck even Windows 11 has done a better job (although they ruined the taskbar now). The mere fact that you can not change things to your liking on Mac proves my point. You have to buy- and install third party applications from developers that you do not know or trust, and that is just to fix some of the most basic issues. Microsoft recently also decided to go down this route, and have now sabotaged their own Taskbar, preventing users from moving it. It has nothing to do with "not being used to the Mac-way" – these things are just worse on Mac. There is nothing good about not having direct access to the location address in your File Manager, or not being able to change this stupid default behaviour of various keys and UI elements. The ability to use "cut" on files, and actually change location by a text-based address bar are both to be considered core features. It is entirely brainless and inconvenient that we have to hold in "option" just to get a "move files" option to show up in the right click context menu.
  - still_grokking 4y ago

michaelmrose 4y ago

Most entries in posters list are complaints with how things work. Two of these seem like bugs. > Sometimes audio balance will randomly shift to the left or right with bluetooth headphones > There is a delay of ~100ms when pushing caps lock Another seems objective not subjective > Pressing enter in Finder renames a file instead of opening it Who thinks the enter to rename is reasonable?

LeoNatan25 4y ago
> Who thinks the enter to rename is reasonable? Decades of MacOS users?
pseudalopex 4y ago
Audio balance seems like a bug. Caps Lock delay seems like accidental activation prevention. Who thinks F2 to rename is reasonable?
- gattilorenz 4y ago
  > Audio balance seems like a bug A long standing one actually. I remember having it in Mojave/El Capitan already on my 2102 MBP. The others are annoyances from not being familiar with the UI, some more motivated than others. But let’s recall the sad story of the thumbnails in GNOME’s file picker, for a second…
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  Having it delayed by a portion of a second can never in any way shape or form prevent accidental activation as you don't have time to notice and correct the matter. It IS just enough to prevent several characters from being entered in the correct case. Users expect actions to match the sequence of inputs. If the user can type CAPS and "TITLE" and get "tITLE" its a bug. Basically 50 years of computer interfaces of all kids across all OS across planet earth use enter or return for activation. This includes Mac in all other contexts. F2 to rename dates back to windows 3.1 with environments like KDE using the same key that is familiar to windows users. Like many things it is an arbitrary choice without any inherently correct answer. The nice thing about it is in dolphin is that one can easily discover this by right clicking a file or folder and noting the shortcut listed beside the action so you can both complete the task visually immediately and learn the hotkey easily.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    Older MacBooks activate Caps Lock instantly. Recent MacBooks activate Caps Lock after the key is held long enough. Bugs are when systems don't work as intended. Intent you don't like isn't a bug. Enter or return does different things in different contexts. Its most frequent functions are go to a new line or end text entry. Saying it means activate and implying activate means open is trying to find consistency where it isn't. And what it does in Finder is what it does in other text fields. Return for rename is older than Windows 3.1. The error rate for pressing F2 is high for something so common as rename.

still_grokking 4y ago

And what about all the bugs Apple seems to add on a daily basis and not fixing them than for month, years, or actually ever? I can read in the news more or less every day that fundamental things like input devices, monitors, audio, or basic GUI features are messed up or bluntly broken in macOS. People already "joking" that one needs to way at least two or three point releases before trying out major updates. That's even worse than the situation on Windows by now (and MS is also breaking things with every update). As a Linux user that uses a "perpetual beta" distri (Debian Testing) I'm horrified about such news. Comparable breakage does happen on my OS maybe 2 times in a decade on average, and when some catastrophe like that happens (monitor stops working, no audio, USB not working, or such) it's usually fixed within hours!

JacobSeated 4y ago
The alternative for "maximize" on Mac is to simply double click the Window, although some Windows do not have much of a "title" or "bar" to click on, because of modern simplification of GUIs, and this can cause accidents to happen. Still, I will argue it is incorrect to have the maximize button do something that I hardly ever need to do, that is, enter full screen for the given window. Both Gnome and KDE are better desktop environments, heck even Windows 11 has done a better job (although they ruined the taskbar now). The mere fact that you can not change things to your liking on Mac proves my point. You have to buy- and install third party applications from developers that you do not know or trust, and that is just to fix some of the most basic issues. Microsoft recently also decided to go down this route, and have now sabotaged their own Taskbar, preventing users from moving it. It has nothing to do with "not being used to the Mac-way" – these things are just worse on Mac. There is nothing good about not having direct access to the location address in your File Manager, or not being able to change this stupid default behaviour of various keys and UI elements. The ability to use "cut" on files, and actually change location by a text-based address bar are both to be considered core features. It is entirely brainless and inconvenient that we have to hold in "option" just to get a "move files" option to show up in the right click context menu.
- still_grokking 4y ago