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Quite impressive. 10 for performance and software (iPhone 4S received 8 and 9). The device seems to be very good, but ICS is the star here. I am eagerly waiting

Quite impressive. 10 for performance and software (iPhone 4S received 8 and 9). The device seems to be very good, but ICS is the star here. I am eagerly waiting to receive the update at my Nexus S.

matheusalmeida 15y ago
Am I the only one who thinks that a 10/10 is... let's say, hard to believe ? What does that mean? In terms of software, it doesn't have bugs, it's completeley optimized and you have days of battery life and tons of available memory ? Is the integration of all functionalities perfect ? You don't need task managers to kill faulty apps ? Anyhow, we are in a free world where everyone can make reviews and I'm glad we are in that world.
- eavc 15y ago
  You're not the only one hung up on it, no. But I don't see anything strange about a 10/10 score. It doesn't imply perfection, only relative excellence. This is how it's always been with game reviews, for instance. A video game released in 1996 gets a 10/10 because it's better than other games yet seen. The same game released today would get panned. It doesn't imply any claim to absolute perfection.
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  - matheusalmeida 15y ago
    You're right about relative excellence. The thing is that a 10/10 implies that it must have a better UI/UX than an Iphone and better looks compared to a Windows Phone 7 (Mango) and better security/encription compared to a Blackberry. I find hard to believe that it will be at least as good as the competitors in a generic term like software. I'm a happy owner of an Android phone that will probably receive an update to ICS so I'm looking forward to it.
- nextparadigms 15y ago
  Perhaps some more/better features, better e-mail and Calendar apps, better Maps/Navigation...etc. iOS still feels like a MVP when compared to Android. It may work excellent with the features it does have, but that doesn't mean it isn't more limited.
- InclinedPlane 15y ago
  Grade inflation is rampant in reviews. The dynamic range is really effectively about 6.5/7 to 10. So a 10 actually means something more like 3 stars out of 3.
  - jeffdavis 15y ago
    It might not necessarily be inflation. Those who write extended reviews are likely to have fairly good intuition about which phones are good enough to write about. Nobody is going to spend days writing a review for a phone that someone would only get because it's "free" with a contract.
- juliano_q 15y ago
  I'm rating this as a 10 in software in the current crop of phones, particularly against other Android offerings. Who knows what this will look like when Windows Phone 8 and iOS 6 are out. -by Joshua Topolsky 6:17 PM I think it makes sense.
- re_todd 15y ago
  Think of it as a 9.7, rounded up.
mikeknoop 15y ago
What's the current rumor for ICS release to other phone/tablet models? Such as the Nexus S?
- trotsky 15y ago
  nexus s - mid december a few other devices have announce 1Q11 or 2Q11 (mostly the latter)
- fpgeek 15y ago
  It looks like many (most / all?) Honeycomb tablets will be upgrading to ICS. I don't find this terribly surprising given (a) the general opinion about Honeycomb (b) that (naturally) Honeycomb is closer to ICS than Gingerbread is. Tablets I've heard about: - ASUS Transformer (and Transformer Prime if necessary) update "soon" after the Transformer Prime launch (possibly before the end of the year) [1] I believe the Slider is also being upgraded, but I'm not sure whether or not it is on the same schedule. - Acer Iconia tablets update January 2012 - Motorola XOOM confirmed (no ETA except for a retracted 6 weeks after source release). Surprisingly (for a launch device), it sounds like the XOOM won't be the first Android tablet to ICS. - Samsung Galaxy Tab - all Honeycomb models are getting ICS (no ETA) - Lenovo's working on a Tegra 3 ICS tablet (rumored to be out late this year), but I haven't seen anything about their existing Honeycomb tablets [1] That probably sounds incredible if you haven't seen ASUS's stunning update history so far (beating the XOOM to worldwide rollouts of new Honeycomb versions and several feature/bugfix upgrades, to boot). I'm one happy ASUS customer.
- fpgeek 15y ago
  For phones, most of the current "flagship" models (e.g. SGS2, Galaxy Note, Motorola/Droid RAZR, HTC Sensation, Amaze, etc.) have been promised ICS upgrades. The best manufacturer so far is Sony Ericsson, who has promised that their entire 2011 Xperia lineup will get ICS. If only they had some higher-end phones...
ugh 15y ago
Talking purely about looks: The look is a massive improvement over Honeycomb with its terrible 1980s future look (and quite obviously so much better than anything Android offered before). I still prefer iOS on tablets (I like the changes Apple made for the iPad and I also think that for some strange reason iOS visually works better on tablets than phones) but on smartphones there are now two OS – WP7, too – that look better than iOS†. That’s looks. I’m definitely looking forward to trying ICS out and it looks like Google put a lot of work into fixing many (all?) of the little and big annoyances that previously made me want to throw Android devices at the wall when I used them for longer than ten minutes. It’s nice that Android is shaping up as a real alternative for me. (What’s a bit annoying is that if you want a phone without all the crap you have about as much choice as when you buy an iPhone. I’m not sure whether Google wants to or can change that with ICS.) — † Android still gets details wrong. I can live with that. More or less, I guess.
- joebadmo 15y ago
  Completely agree that it's a massive improvement over Tron-inspired Honeycomb. Also agree that the UX looks massively improved as well. It always felt like features and ugly shininess took precedence over UX before, but it seems like Duarte is having a good influence here. On crapware, one of the announced features for ICS is that you can disable (meaning stop from running and hide from app drawers and home screens) any app from system settings. The sort of obvious thing (to me) for them to do going forward is to platformize Android better, so that manufacturers/vendors can differentiate by adding UI components, etc. in a modular way that's easy to turn off, and easy to update around. I.e. there should be a big VANILLA ANDROID button in the settings, and they should push updates more aggressively. But ICS definitely looks like a step in the right direction.
canes123456 15y ago
In the video the phone looked like there is still some lag compared to an iPhone.
- drivebyacct2 15y ago
  Where? Given the nature of past Android I'm inclined to believe it's possible, but I didn't see even a flinch in that video...
  - canes123456 15y ago
    The browser looked worse. I suspect that really slow dragging is still an issue in some places. It still is head and shoulders better than old versions and I confused the lack of bouncy scrolling with lag in menus.

Quite impressive. 10 for performance and software (iPhone 4S received 8 and 9). The device seems to be very good, but ICS is the star here. I am eagerly waiting to receive the update at my Nexus S.

matheusalmeida 15y ago

Am I the only one who thinks that a 10/10 is... let's say, hard to believe ? What does that mean? In terms of software, it doesn't have bugs, it's completeley optimized and you have days of battery life and tons of available memory ? Is the integration of all functionalities perfect ? You don't need task managers to kill faulty apps ? Anyhow, we are in a free world where everyone can make reviews and I'm glad we are in that world.

eavc 15y ago
You're not the only one hung up on it, no. But I don't see anything strange about a 10/10 score. It doesn't imply perfection, only relative excellence. This is how it's always been with game reviews, for instance. A video game released in 1996 gets a 10/10 because it's better than other games yet seen. The same game released today would get panned. It doesn't imply any claim to absolute perfection.
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- matheusalmeida 15y ago
  You're right about relative excellence. The thing is that a 10/10 implies that it must have a better UI/UX than an Iphone and better looks compared to a Windows Phone 7 (Mango) and better security/encription compared to a Blackberry. I find hard to believe that it will be at least as good as the competitors in a generic term like software. I'm a happy owner of an Android phone that will probably receive an update to ICS so I'm looking forward to it.
nextparadigms 15y ago
Perhaps some more/better features, better e-mail and Calendar apps, better Maps/Navigation...etc. iOS still feels like a MVP when compared to Android. It may work excellent with the features it does have, but that doesn't mean it isn't more limited.
InclinedPlane 15y ago
Grade inflation is rampant in reviews. The dynamic range is really effectively about 6.5/7 to 10. So a 10 actually means something more like 3 stars out of 3.
- jeffdavis 15y ago
  It might not necessarily be inflation. Those who write extended reviews are likely to have fairly good intuition about which phones are good enough to write about. Nobody is going to spend days writing a review for a phone that someone would only get because it's "free" with a contract.
juliano_q 15y ago
I'm rating this as a 10 in software in the current crop of phones, particularly against other Android offerings. Who knows what this will look like when Windows Phone 8 and iOS 6 are out. -by Joshua Topolsky 6:17 PM I think it makes sense.
re_todd 15y ago
Think of it as a 9.7, rounded up.

mikeknoop 15y ago

What's the current rumor for ICS release to other phone/tablet models? Such as the Nexus S?

trotsky 15y ago
nexus s - mid december a few other devices have announce 1Q11 or 2Q11 (mostly the latter)
fpgeek 15y ago
It looks like many (most / all?) Honeycomb tablets will be upgrading to ICS. I don't find this terribly surprising given (a) the general opinion about Honeycomb (b) that (naturally) Honeycomb is closer to ICS than Gingerbread is. Tablets I've heard about: - ASUS Transformer (and Transformer Prime if necessary) update "soon" after the Transformer Prime launch (possibly before the end of the year) [1] I believe the Slider is also being upgraded, but I'm not sure whether or not it is on the same schedule. - Acer Iconia tablets update January 2012 - Motorola XOOM confirmed (no ETA except for a retracted 6 weeks after source release). Surprisingly (for a launch device), it sounds like the XOOM won't be the first Android tablet to ICS. - Samsung Galaxy Tab - all Honeycomb models are getting ICS (no ETA) - Lenovo's working on a Tegra 3 ICS tablet (rumored to be out late this year), but I haven't seen anything about their existing Honeycomb tablets [1] That probably sounds incredible if you haven't seen ASUS's stunning update history so far (beating the XOOM to worldwide rollouts of new Honeycomb versions and several feature/bugfix upgrades, to boot). I'm one happy ASUS customer.
fpgeek 15y ago
For phones, most of the current "flagship" models (e.g. SGS2, Galaxy Note, Motorola/Droid RAZR, HTC Sensation, Amaze, etc.) have been promised ICS upgrades. The best manufacturer so far is Sony Ericsson, who has promised that their entire 2011 Xperia lineup will get ICS. If only they had some higher-end phones...

ugh 15y ago

Talking purely about looks: The look is a massive improvement over Honeycomb with its terrible 1980s future look (and quite obviously so much better than anything Android offered before). I still prefer iOS on tablets (I like the changes Apple made for the iPad and I also think that for some strange reason iOS visually works better on tablets than phones) but on smartphones there are now two OS – WP7, too – that look better than iOS†. That’s looks. I’m definitely looking forward to trying ICS out and it looks like Google put a lot of work into fixing many (all?) of the little and big annoyances that previously made me want to throw Android devices at the wall when I used them for longer than ten minutes. It’s nice that Android is shaping up as a real alternative for me. (What’s a bit annoying is that if you want a phone without all the crap you have about as much choice as when you buy an iPhone. I’m not sure whether Google wants to or can change that with ICS.) — † Android still gets details wrong. I can live with that. More or less, I guess.

joebadmo 15y ago
Completely agree that it's a massive improvement over Tron-inspired Honeycomb. Also agree that the UX looks massively improved as well. It always felt like features and ugly shininess took precedence over UX before, but it seems like Duarte is having a good influence here. On crapware, one of the announced features for ICS is that you can disable (meaning stop from running and hide from app drawers and home screens) any app from system settings. The sort of obvious thing (to me) for them to do going forward is to platformize Android better, so that manufacturers/vendors can differentiate by adding UI components, etc. in a modular way that's easy to turn off, and easy to update around. I.e. there should be a big VANILLA ANDROID button in the settings, and they should push updates more aggressively. But ICS definitely looks like a step in the right direction.

canes123456 15y ago

In the video the phone looked like there is still some lag compared to an iPhone.

drivebyacct2 15y ago
Where? Given the nature of past Android I'm inclined to believe it's possible, but I didn't see even a flinch in that video...
- canes123456 15y ago
  The browser looked worse. I suspect that really slow dragging is still an issue in some places. It still is head and shoulders better than old versions and I confused the lack of bouncy scrolling with lag in menus.