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> Real Art, that which moves one's soul, is beyond the capabilities of artificial intelligence It’s easy to test. Show people “real” art and AI generated art a
by dqpb 4y ago
> Real Art, that which moves one's soul, is beyond the capabilities of artificial intelligence
It’s easy to test. Show people “real” art and AI generated art and see how often they can tell which is which.
- bsenftner 4y agoThat won't work. Art is also not a popularity contest.
- dqpb 4y agoThen who is the arbiter of “real” art?
- bsenftner 4y agoNobody. Does it move your soul? Does it feel important that it exists? Does it matter if someone destroys it? These are answers nobody can collectively make, and that is why Art is simultaneously a grand fraud and the frontier of human reasoning. It cannot be defined because it exists on the edge of reason. The moment it can be created without a human communication behind it, it ceases to be Art.
- dqpb 4y agoSome DALL-E art moves my soul. It’s important to me that it exists. It would matter if it was destroyed. So, I guess that settles it.
- bsenftner 4y agoHuman curated DALL-E art. The AI just generates, the human curators, even if it is you, created the art. Recognition the generation communicates something within is the distinction, that's how "found art" became a thing.
- zasdffaa 4y agoI suspect you are going to repeatedly move the goalposts to keep the human in. Perhaps that's right, perhaps not but perhaps also ask yourself why you feel the emotional need to.
- bsenftner 4y agoThat is the nature of Art, it is a dynamic frontier, the edge of human communication and understanding. It is where our communication languages combine to speak what we've not said yet because we are yet maturing as a species and learning how to speak to ourselves.
- zasdffaa 4y agoI've no idea if that even means anything. I'll say it then, I think that's a load of tripe.
- visarga 4y agoI've been saying this in the copyright discussions. There is a human in the loop doing both prompting and curation. The copyrights should be assigned to the human, at least in part. Maybe a GAN generating images from random seeds without conditioning would make uncopyrightable content.
- EarthLaunch 4y agoYou are. Each person is individually.
- dqpb 4y agoGreat, then I say AI art is real art.
- bsenftner 4y agoAnd that is perfectly fine. We are going to see a devaluation of image art, simply because ordinary people will cease to respect the imagery, believing no effort or human was required to create it. Currently, laypeople respect effort and that becomes their proxy for initial respect of image art. However, Art has not been merely the Art Object for over a hundred years. What is in Art museums today, discounting the historical art that serves as the mileposts leading to our current location, is the cultural identifier the Art Object presents for an idea. The object itself is merely the next milepost, something concrete people can point to, in the unknown frontier of our most complex communications to ourselves we've spoken to date.