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I am saying the 20 years of experience is mostly not needed. 90% of programming roles can be done by 2-4 years of experience candidates. With a bunch more in th

I am saying the 20 years of experience is mostly not needed. 90% of programming roles can be done by 2-4 years of experience candidates. With a bunch more in that percentage done by young talented people. The old candidates are discarded for good reason, they arent better than their younger competitors, even if they write solid code.

dayvid 4y ago
Yes, the main killer factor for programming is being able to pair your coding skills with another skill (e.g. business/domain knowledge, management, marketing, etc.). Many programmers don't do only programming as time moves on. They add other skillsets or branch out.
zepolen 4y ago
Ahahahhaahahhahahahahha You really don't know what you don't know.
- fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
  I've got ten years experience at two FAANGs.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    Out of curiosity, what level did you achieve? This isn't a criticism, I think it would help color your perspective. [edit] For instance this is the kind of thing I'd expect to hear from like an E3/E4. An E5 knows what to do to get to E6 and understands the value. An E6+ would never have achieved the level with this perspective.
    - fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
      L6. I've just seen the pattern of a high performing engineer running a team of ten junior engineers. No more high experienced candidates needed over that one. This is on high TPS distributed systems. I've also seen two years of experience candidates writing code as good as anyone else. Domain specific for sure, took them two years on the team to get there. I've also spoken with many prinicpal engineers and think they provided no extra value over many other engineers. Its a level to aspire to, but most are just corporate strivers, many many people under them could replace them. These are on critical services.
      - zepolen 4y ago
        > I've also seen two years of experience candidates writing code as good as anyone else. I so so so severely doubt that. Two years of experience is barely enough to learn one of the most important experiences of all, maintaining your two year old code ;)
        fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
        I see it everyday
iamflimflam1 4y ago
The thing is, I’ve seen pretty much every shape of problem you are going to come across and have a suite of different solutions I can apply. And I can pull together completely new solutions using the knowledge I’ve gained over the last 30 years. It’s not about being able to write solid code - anyone can do that. It’s about experience.
tester756 4y ago
>90% of programming roles can be done by 2-4 years of experience candidates. With a bunch more in that percentage done by young talented people. The old candidates are discarded for good reason, they arent better than their younger competitors, even if they write solid code. I think I can agree on that Majority of programming is web dev and other boring software which requires business knowledge from domain experts and programmers with some experience that just care. At worst they'll fail and refactor. But yea, there are way harder domains than that.

dayvid 4y ago

Yes, the main killer factor for programming is being able to pair your coding skills with another skill (e.g. business/domain knowledge, management, marketing, etc.). Many programmers don't do only programming as time moves on. They add other skillsets or branch out.

zepolen 4y ago

Ahahahhaahahhahahahahha You really don't know what you don't know.

fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
I've got ten years experience at two FAANGs.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Out of curiosity, what level did you achieve? This isn't a criticism, I think it would help color your perspective. [edit] For instance this is the kind of thing I'd expect to hear from like an E3/E4. An E5 knows what to do to get to E6 and understands the value. An E6+ would never have achieved the level with this perspective.
  - fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
    L6. I've just seen the pattern of a high performing engineer running a team of ten junior engineers. No more high experienced candidates needed over that one. This is on high TPS distributed systems. I've also seen two years of experience candidates writing code as good as anyone else. Domain specific for sure, took them two years on the team to get there. I've also spoken with many prinicpal engineers and think they provided no extra value over many other engineers. Its a level to aspire to, but most are just corporate strivers, many many people under them could replace them. These are on critical services.
    - zepolen 4y ago
      > I've also seen two years of experience candidates writing code as good as anyone else. I so so so severely doubt that. Two years of experience is barely enough to learn one of the most important experiences of all, maintaining your two year old code ;)
      - fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
        I see it everyday

iamflimflam1 4y ago

The thing is, I’ve seen pretty much every shape of problem you are going to come across and have a suite of different solutions I can apply. And I can pull together completely new solutions using the knowledge I’ve gained over the last 30 years. It’s not about being able to write solid code - anyone can do that. It’s about experience.

tester756 4y ago

>90% of programming roles can be done by 2-4 years of experience candidates. With a bunch more in that percentage done by young talented people. The old candidates are discarded for good reason, they arent better than their younger competitors, even if they write solid code. I think I can agree on that Majority of programming is web dev and other boring software which requires business knowledge from domain experts and programmers with some experience that just care. At worst they'll fail and refactor. But yea, there are way harder domains than that.