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It's true, and makes sense where your face-to-face time is the key thing. But where it's just "work time", surely you can do a good amount of work on a 7 hour f

by cjrp 4y ago

It's true, and makes sense where your face-to-face time is the key thing. But where it's just "work time", surely you can do a good amount of work on a 7 hour flight in a decent business class seat with reliable internet? Especially if you can also minimise the time wasted on the ground (fast security line, lounge with areas to work, airline calling your flight when it's almost finished boarding not at the start, etc.).

rtpg 4y ago
There are definitely people who can get work done in a flight, but honestly I have a hard time imagining logging 7 hours. Maybe if you have a lot of reading to do?
- cjrp 4y ago
  I'm the same, but I'm imagining the "super serious business people" who are presumably the target market for these planes (given the price). Is it worth the premium to get them from London to NYC in 4 hours, when they could do 5 hours of billable work in the lounge/on the plane anyway.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    Depends on how well you can sleep I guess. US to Europe is almost entirely overnight flights. Not so much the other way though.
- afavour 4y ago
  I do too, but I also don't have a huge amount of experience sitting in an incredibly comfortable first class seat. I imagine I'd get a lot more done than I do in coach. I think if I had a decent internet connection (happening more and more) and comfortable seat I'd happily take a 7/8 hour flight over a 5 hour one in a coach-style seat.
  - everforward 4y ago
    I fly first class a fair bit, and I struggle to get anything done on the plane (in the terminal is fine, though). For me, there's no way to take a good break on a plane. I can't really get up and stretch my legs (unless you try to pace the aisle), and any kind of distraction is going to be on a screen. It is more comfortable than coach, but it's still not really comfortable. Coach is actively uncomfortable, first class is just kind of neutral; not actively comfortable or uncomfortable. I usually get more done sitting in the terminal than I do on the plane itself.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      I fly business a few times a year and almost always treat it as rest and relaxation. The chance for quiet downtime that I won't get on the trip and rarely get at home as well. 10 hours of extra sleep, reading, and podcasts. It seems like most passengers do the same thing. Trying to smash actual work into the flight is miserable.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        For me, it's a good chance to watch a movie and maybe read a book (which I don't do often enough at home). I'm may be an outlier but I don't really care if I have Internet on a flight or not. If I have a lie-flat business class option with decent food, getting to my destination a few hours early with less comfortable seating isn't a clear win. Like most people, I'm not jetting over to London to have lunch and sign a deal and heading home to sleep in my own bed.
        username223 4y ago
        > Like most people, I'm not jetting over to London to have lunch and sign a deal and heading home to sleep in my own bed. Thank you for enlightening me. As someone nowhere near rich enough for this to be relevant, my upper bound for pleasant W-E transatlantic flight is being able to sleep. Shortening that sleep seems like a loss. But if you have a private jet on call, you can skip connecting flights, airport security, schedules, and all the things that actually make flying slow and miserable. I guess this company is aiming at the people who don’t quite have that kind of money.
milesskorpen 4y ago
Airplane wifi is garbage and wildly unreliable.
- cjrp 4y ago
  Getting better in my experience, last flight I had about 1-2Mbps which was plenty for browsing and sending messages/emails. If that's all you require to do work, then it's fine.
  - milesskorpen 4y ago
    Every now and then it's not awful, that's true. But it's just entirely non-functional and/or extremely slow a high percentage of times, which means you can't reliably plan to have functioning wifi, which means you can organize your schedule around it.

by cjrp 4y ago

rtpg 4y ago

There are definitely people who can get work done in a flight, but honestly I have a hard time imagining logging 7 hours. Maybe if you have a lot of reading to do?

cjrp 4y ago
I'm the same, but I'm imagining the "super serious business people" who are presumably the target market for these planes (given the price). Is it worth the premium to get them from London to NYC in 4 hours, when they could do 5 hours of billable work in the lounge/on the plane anyway.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  Depends on how well you can sleep I guess. US to Europe is almost entirely overnight flights. Not so much the other way though.
afavour 4y ago
I do too, but I also don't have a huge amount of experience sitting in an incredibly comfortable first class seat. I imagine I'd get a lot more done than I do in coach. I think if I had a decent internet connection (happening more and more) and comfortable seat I'd happily take a 7/8 hour flight over a 5 hour one in a coach-style seat.
- everforward 4y ago
  I fly first class a fair bit, and I struggle to get anything done on the plane (in the terminal is fine, though). For me, there's no way to take a good break on a plane. I can't really get up and stretch my legs (unless you try to pace the aisle), and any kind of distraction is going to be on a screen. It is more comfortable than coach, but it's still not really comfortable. Coach is actively uncomfortable, first class is just kind of neutral; not actively comfortable or uncomfortable. I usually get more done sitting in the terminal than I do on the plane itself.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I fly business a few times a year and almost always treat it as rest and relaxation. The chance for quiet downtime that I won't get on the trip and rarely get at home as well. 10 hours of extra sleep, reading, and podcasts. It seems like most passengers do the same thing. Trying to smash actual work into the flight is miserable.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      For me, it's a good chance to watch a movie and maybe read a book (which I don't do often enough at home). I'm may be an outlier but I don't really care if I have Internet on a flight or not. If I have a lie-flat business class option with decent food, getting to my destination a few hours early with less comfortable seating isn't a clear win. Like most people, I'm not jetting over to London to have lunch and sign a deal and heading home to sleep in my own bed.
      - username223 4y ago
        > Like most people, I'm not jetting over to London to have lunch and sign a deal and heading home to sleep in my own bed. Thank you for enlightening me. As someone nowhere near rich enough for this to be relevant, my upper bound for pleasant W-E transatlantic flight is being able to sleep. Shortening that sleep seems like a loss. But if you have a private jet on call, you can skip connecting flights, airport security, schedules, and all the things that actually make flying slow and miserable. I guess this company is aiming at the people who don’t quite have that kind of money.

milesskorpen 4y ago

Airplane wifi is garbage and wildly unreliable.

cjrp 4y ago
Getting better in my experience, last flight I had about 1-2Mbps which was plenty for browsing and sending messages/emails. If that's all you require to do work, then it's fine.
- milesskorpen 4y ago
  Every now and then it's not awful, that's true. But it's just entirely non-functional and/or extremely slow a high percentage of times, which means you can't reliably plan to have functioning wifi, which means you can organize your schedule around it.