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I think you mean they switched to using the DTAG network as upstream - essentially giving them the same treatment as their customers in Germany. And also discon

I think you mean they switched to using the DTAG network as upstream - essentially giving them the same treatment as their customers in Germany. And also disconnecting from local internet exchanges in the process. DE-CIX is an internet exchange that is unrelated to DTAG (DTAG do have a port on DE-CIX, which they mostly use to sell some services across it I would guess, but not for settlement-free peering like mostly everyone else). As Sadly people in Germany will just blame the site being bad/slow, instead of having a closer look at their internet provider.

Tijdreiziger 4y ago
> I think you mean they switched to using the DTAG network as upstream - essentially giving them the same treatment as their customers in Germany. And also disconnecting from local internet exchanges in the process. Yes, this is what I was trying to say. It's a while ago, so perhaps I remembered the details incorrectly.
wink 4y ago
I guess we all have a line we draw where we do the right thing on this side and "I want a hassle free life" on the other, and my line is having a stable internet connection at home. Everything I've experienced in ~20 years of Telekom pales in comparison to everything else I tried.
- welterde 4y ago
  That they deserve some good legal troubles for their behavior is another discussion entirely (Swisscom, which was doing the same thing as DTAG and running a collab with DTAG for a while, actually lost a few court cases over things like that). However that's not my point. My point is that the service DTAG offers is just inferior and people that were never exposed to something better (be it never tried or just got unlucky with the alternatives when they tried), just stick with it. I would never get internet from them in Germany simply because I value having good internet connectivity (not just germany-net) and want data to flow a little bit faster than during the isdn-dialup days. The mafia-like behavior (of requiring payment from hosting providers to get usable connectivity to their customers) is just the cherry on top.

Tijdreiziger 4y ago

> I think you mean they switched to using the DTAG network as upstream - essentially giving them the same treatment as their customers in Germany. And also disconnecting from local internet exchanges in the process. Yes, this is what I was trying to say. It's a while ago, so perhaps I remembered the details incorrectly.

wink 4y ago

I guess we all have a line we draw where we do the right thing on this side and "I want a hassle free life" on the other, and my line is having a stable internet connection at home. Everything I've experienced in ~20 years of Telekom pales in comparison to everything else I tried.

welterde 4y ago
That they deserve some good legal troubles for their behavior is another discussion entirely (Swisscom, which was doing the same thing as DTAG and running a collab with DTAG for a while, actually lost a few court cases over things like that). However that's not my point. My point is that the service DTAG offers is just inferior and people that were never exposed to something better (be it never tried or just got unlucky with the alternatives when they tried), just stick with it. I would never get internet from them in Germany simply because I value having good internet connectivity (not just germany-net) and want data to flow a little bit faster than during the isdn-dialup days. The mafia-like behavior (of requiring payment from hosting providers to get usable connectivity to their customers) is just the cherry on top.