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At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hi

At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hispanic origin…

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Human tribalism is, unfortunately, present everywhere. Every country and every company.
- raverbashing 4y ago
  True. At a minor scale, all this is fine. People do hire colleagues from previous jobs or from the same Uni, for example But there's a limit and managers, etc need to be very aware. You can't just have one person hiring all their acquaintances
rhexs 4y ago
A Native American group? I mean damn, that’s gotta be so rare I’d almost support it. Or did you mean an American company hiring Americans? That’d be pretty rare too.
- dj_gitmo 4y ago
  A lot of US semiconductor fabs are in New Mexico. Some were even built on Navajo land. It's an industry where Native Americans were well represented.
  - AlotOfReading 4y ago
    Which fabs are in NM other than Intel's 11x (and maybe Sandia)? Wikipedia [1] doesn't list anything, but I also don't see many smaller, exotic technology fabs on there. I'm really curious where they could site a fab on the Navajo reservation because of how profoundly inadequate most of the infrastructure is even for typical American households, let alone a fab. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat...
    - atdrummond 4y ago
      Also the Navajo/Hopi water rights issue is complicated, to say the least.
- eatbitseveryday 4y ago
  Yes, this was a local software engineering manager who is "Native American" as in, a native people original to the land, aiming to hire other Native Americans as well as majorly minorities. As a whole the company reports figures showing mixed diversity within the company, but it is really sort of segregated inside because folks don't really mix within immediate groups or teams. So if you're from a typical Caucasian descent, it's hard to adjust within groups like that. One reason is because it is hard to connect - business thinking is different, world views, work ethics, communication style... so I don't blame folks for hiring similarly. For groups when you "need to get things done" it makes sense, but for creative thinking and problem solving, you really should have diversity within the team itself.
yunohn 4y ago
- Bilal_io 4y ago
  If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. This includes let's say for example an Indian that hires a white person just because they're white.
  - boplicity 4y ago
    > If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. Let's say a company is set to hire 1,000 employees. For the first 900 hires, they intentionally exclude white people. Should they, then, make up for this intentional exclusion by then prioritizing white people in their hiring? Or should they correct the problem by giving those who were intentionally excluded priority? In other words, should the racist status quo be allowed to continue, or should it be intentionally corrected?
    - whynaut 4y ago
      There is no reasonable answer for this strange hypothetical, probably because it is not presented in good faith.
      - boplicity 4y ago
        Why is it a strange hypothetical? Extremely similar situations were actually quite common historically. Many, many ethnic groups have been intentionally excluded from many types of jobs over the years. It's not just a hypothetical: It's a past reality that has real-world impacts that last through today. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/occupational-segregation-in-america/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/occupational-segreg... https://prospect.org/features/black-workers-remember/ https://prospect.org/features/black-workers-remember/
        4y ago
squabbles 4y ago
- PaulHoule 4y ago
  Cisco is famous for being sued for all sides. They let go of middle-aged white people (who sue) and then hire young Indians they can underpay (who also sue.)
  - Cthulhu_ 4y ago
    I mean I'm kinda glad they sue instead of roll over and take the pay. International hiring at lower pay is a capitalist strategy you see everywhere. I watched a Business Insider video a while ago about (of all things) mushroom farmers somewhere in the US. They bluntly admitted they lost tens of thousands of dollars worth of crop because they couldn't find staff. They couldn't find staff because they only hired south-American people, and they only hired south-American people because they were cheaper. Very long story short, under capitalism, employers don't want to pay their staff.
    - OOD 4y ago
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      - csa 4y ago
        > There's only one side (leftists) and one party (Democrats) that are arguing for more immigration and open borders in the US This is only true if you refer to extreme left/democrats and extreme right/republicans. Moderate democrats (the ones usually in control) routinely set limits on immigration and refugee issues. Moderate republicans, who were usually in control pre-trump, are very pro-immigration (it keeps labor market competitive). Note that union-oriented folks often times are anti-immigration. Union folks at the national level are currently largely aligned with democrats, but their members have made a massive shift towards the Trump-flavor Republican Party. To close, I don’t think that the political line is quite as clear as you seem to propose. The extreme left may want few/no immigration limits, and the extreme right may want extremely strict immigration limits, but the moderates from both sides want healthy immigration with limits, and the specifics of the limits are the main issue of contention. Said another way, the moderates from both sides are closer in ideology to each other than to the extremist sections of their respective party/ideology.
40acres 4y ago
I worked for the same large semiconductor company and saw the same thing play out. It was hinted to me by some mentors that I was in a good position because my manager was White as opposed to Indian or Chinese.

At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hispanic origin…

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

Human tribalism is, unfortunately, present everywhere. Every country and every company.

raverbashing 4y ago
True. At a minor scale, all this is fine. People do hire colleagues from previous jobs or from the same Uni, for example But there's a limit and managers, etc need to be very aware. You can't just have one person hiring all their acquaintances

rhexs 4y ago

A Native American group? I mean damn, that’s gotta be so rare I’d almost support it. Or did you mean an American company hiring Americans? That’d be pretty rare too.

dj_gitmo 4y ago
A lot of US semiconductor fabs are in New Mexico. Some were even built on Navajo land. It's an industry where Native Americans were well represented.
- AlotOfReading 4y ago
  Which fabs are in NM other than Intel's 11x (and maybe Sandia)? Wikipedia [1] doesn't list anything, but I also don't see many smaller, exotic technology fabs on there. I'm really curious where they could site a fab on the Navajo reservation because of how profoundly inadequate most of the infrastructure is even for typical American households, let alone a fab. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat...
  - atdrummond 4y ago
    Also the Navajo/Hopi water rights issue is complicated, to say the least.
eatbitseveryday 4y ago
Yes, this was a local software engineering manager who is "Native American" as in, a native people original to the land, aiming to hire other Native Americans as well as majorly minorities. As a whole the company reports figures showing mixed diversity within the company, but it is really sort of segregated inside because folks don't really mix within immediate groups or teams. So if you're from a typical Caucasian descent, it's hard to adjust within groups like that. One reason is because it is hard to connect - business thinking is different, world views, work ethics, communication style... so I don't blame folks for hiring similarly. For groups when you "need to get things done" it makes sense, but for creative thinking and problem solving, you really should have diversity within the team itself.

yunohn 4y ago

Bilal_io 4y ago
If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. This includes let's say for example an Indian that hires a white person just because they're white.
- boplicity 4y ago
  > If someone hires a person based on their color, that's wrong regardless of who's doing it. Let's say a company is set to hire 1,000 employees. For the first 900 hires, they intentionally exclude white people. Should they, then, make up for this intentional exclusion by then prioritizing white people in their hiring? Or should they correct the problem by giving those who were intentionally excluded priority? In other words, should the racist status quo be allowed to continue, or should it be intentionally corrected?
  - whynaut 4y ago
    There is no reasonable answer for this strange hypothetical, probably because it is not presented in good faith.
    - boplicity 4y ago
      Why is it a strange hypothetical? Extremely similar situations were actually quite common historically. Many, many ethnic groups have been intentionally excluded from many types of jobs over the years. It's not just a hypothetical: It's a past reality that has real-world impacts that last through today. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/occupational-segregation-in-america/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/occupational-segreg... https://prospect.org/features/black-workers-remember/ https://prospect.org/features/black-workers-remember/
      - 4y ago

squabbles 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago
Cisco is famous for being sued for all sides. They let go of middle-aged white people (who sue) and then hire young Indians they can underpay (who also sue.)
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  I mean I'm kinda glad they sue instead of roll over and take the pay. International hiring at lower pay is a capitalist strategy you see everywhere. I watched a Business Insider video a while ago about (of all things) mushroom farmers somewhere in the US. They bluntly admitted they lost tens of thousands of dollars worth of crop because they couldn't find staff. They couldn't find staff because they only hired south-American people, and they only hired south-American people because they were cheaper. Very long story short, under capitalism, employers don't want to pay their staff.
  - OOD 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - csa 4y ago
      > There's only one side (leftists) and one party (Democrats) that are arguing for more immigration and open borders in the US This is only true if you refer to extreme left/democrats and extreme right/republicans. Moderate democrats (the ones usually in control) routinely set limits on immigration and refugee issues. Moderate republicans, who were usually in control pre-trump, are very pro-immigration (it keeps labor market competitive). Note that union-oriented folks often times are anti-immigration. Union folks at the national level are currently largely aligned with democrats, but their members have made a massive shift towards the Trump-flavor Republican Party. To close, I don’t think that the political line is quite as clear as you seem to propose. The extreme left may want few/no immigration limits, and the extreme right may want extremely strict immigration limits, but the moderates from both sides want healthy immigration with limits, and the specifics of the limits are the main issue of contention. Said another way, the moderates from both sides are closer in ideology to each other than to the extremist sections of their respective party/ideology.

40acres 4y ago

I worked for the same large semiconductor company and saw the same thing play out. It was hinted to me by some mentors that I was in a good position because my manager was White as opposed to Indian or Chinese.