6 ms·

Great! Now: Stop tracking people with telemetry. You don’t need to know how many users you have. People strip FF of telemetry anyways. Look at LibreWolf and le

Great! Now: Stop tracking people with telemetry. You don’t need to know how many users you have. People strip FF of telemetry anyways. Look at LibreWolf and learn. Clean up the FF addons repository. So many addons are plain malware and invading peoples privacy surreptitiously. Get rid of Pocket. Nobody uses it and it was forced on users. Stop piggybacking on handouts from Google. There are other ways to source revenue. Make FF donationware if you must. I would happily send you £5.00 per month if it means I and others can continue to use FF.

m-p-3 4y ago
> Get rid of Pocket. Nobody uses it and it was forced on users. I use it daily..
- mikewave 4y ago
  So go to the website and use it. Many of us simply find it as a way for more propaganda to be fed to us unasked-for when we open up a new tab (at least, until we remember to turn it off).
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    In fact internally it's still packaged as an add-on that is installed on first run. Unbundling it would be super easy.
  - m-p-3 4y ago
    The product belongs to Mozilla, so I don't see why they shouldn't integrate it.
    - kyleee 4y ago
      as with many things though it should be consent based and opt in; they can have a big button "add pocket to your firefox" and those who want it can opt in and everyone else won't have to go through the rigamarole of finding all the settings (strewn about in various locations including about:config) to disable it
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        That sounds far too civil and reasonable.
    - solarkraft 4y ago
      Because it bloats up the browser. That said I find the articles they recommend interesting (and to steal my time ...).
uxcolumbo 4y ago
I use pocket, so I’d like it to stay.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  It can become an add-on which is what it is internally anyway (the browser downloads it upon first run, it's not even included in the browser build itself).
- pessimizer 4y ago
  I use a lot of plugins. Should they all be mandatory?
- solarkraft 4y ago
  I like that extension that replaces "cloud" with "butt", I think it should be bundled :-)
Klonoar 4y ago
>Stop tracking people with telemetry. You don’t need to know how many users you have. Uhhh... what? If I was in Mozilla's shoes I would 100% want to know how many users I have. >People strip FF of telemetry anyways. Look at LibreWolf and learn. Some people do this. Not everyone does it.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  > If I was in Mozilla's shoes I would 100% want to know how many users I have. Which they can trivially extract from the number of hits to the auto-update version checker endpoint. That's enough. You don't need to track every single mouse-click, visited site, or anything else.
  - bkberry352 4y ago
    > You don't need to track every single mouse-click, visited site, or anything else. They don't track mouse clicks or visited sites. You can see everything collected by going to about:telemetry
bbkane 4y ago
I do think they should set up donations directly to Firefox development and support, but I disagree on the telemetry and Pocket. Telemetry is useful for improving the product and people like pocket.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  > Telemetry is useful for improving the product Great, make it opt-in then. People have various legitimate reasons to decide for themselves whether they want to enable it or not. Keep in mind that under the GDPR it must be absolutely opt-in and the current implementation is in breach. > people like pocket Just like people like uBlock Origin (and I'd argue a lot more people like uBO than Pocket) and yet it isn't embedded in the browser for some reason (despite being permissively licensed and actually doing something to protect privacy).
- candiddevmike 4y ago
  Telemetry has been proven time and time again to be useless for adding improvements _users actually want_. If you want feedback, ask for it, don't secretly observe your users from a distance.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > Telemetry is useful And it should be off by default, not opt-out.
ekianjo 4y ago
> Make FF donationware if you must How are they going to pay the CEO then? That alone is worth millions in salary every year.

m-p-3 4y ago

> Get rid of Pocket. Nobody uses it and it was forced on users. I use it daily..

mikewave 4y ago
So go to the website and use it. Many of us simply find it as a way for more propaganda to be fed to us unasked-for when we open up a new tab (at least, until we remember to turn it off).
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  In fact internally it's still packaged as an add-on that is installed on first run. Unbundling it would be super easy.
- m-p-3 4y ago
  The product belongs to Mozilla, so I don't see why they shouldn't integrate it.
  - kyleee 4y ago
    as with many things though it should be consent based and opt in; they can have a big button "add pocket to your firefox" and those who want it can opt in and everyone else won't have to go through the rigamarole of finding all the settings (strewn about in various locations including about:config) to disable it
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      That sounds far too civil and reasonable.
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    Because it bloats up the browser. That said I find the articles they recommend interesting (and to steal my time ...).

uxcolumbo 4y ago

I use pocket, so I’d like it to stay.

Nextgrid 4y ago
It can become an add-on which is what it is internally anyway (the browser downloads it upon first run, it's not even included in the browser build itself).
pessimizer 4y ago
I use a lot of plugins. Should they all be mandatory?
solarkraft 4y ago
I like that extension that replaces "cloud" with "butt", I think it should be bundled :-)

Klonoar 4y ago

>Stop tracking people with telemetry. You don’t need to know how many users you have. Uhhh... what? If I was in Mozilla's shoes I would 100% want to know how many users I have. >People strip FF of telemetry anyways. Look at LibreWolf and learn. Some people do this. Not everyone does it.

jiggawatts 4y ago
> If I was in Mozilla's shoes I would 100% want to know how many users I have. Which they can trivially extract from the number of hits to the auto-update version checker endpoint. That's enough. You don't need to track every single mouse-click, visited site, or anything else.
- bkberry352 4y ago
  > You don't need to track every single mouse-click, visited site, or anything else. They don't track mouse clicks or visited sites. You can see everything collected by going to about:telemetry

bbkane 4y ago

I do think they should set up donations directly to Firefox development and support, but I disagree on the telemetry and Pocket. Telemetry is useful for improving the product and people like pocket.

Nextgrid 4y ago
> Telemetry is useful for improving the product Great, make it opt-in then. People have various legitimate reasons to decide for themselves whether they want to enable it or not. Keep in mind that under the GDPR it must be absolutely opt-in and the current implementation is in breach. > people like pocket Just like people like uBlock Origin (and I'd argue a lot more people like uBO than Pocket) and yet it isn't embedded in the browser for some reason (despite being permissively licensed and actually doing something to protect privacy).
candiddevmike 4y ago
Telemetry has been proven time and time again to be useless for adding improvements _users actually want_. If you want feedback, ask for it, don't secretly observe your users from a distance.
ekianjo 4y ago
> Telemetry is useful And it should be off by default, not opt-out.

ekianjo 4y ago

> Make FF donationware if you must How are they going to pay the CEO then? That alone is worth millions in salary every year.