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Ironically this is exactly how we use AWS at work. Some exec decided we must be modern and all cloud. So they closed our datacenters and moved everything to AW

Ironically this is exactly how we use AWS at work. Some exec decided we must be modern and all cloud. So they closed our datacenters and moved everything to AWS as-is. Including the process to request new "servers" with 10 tabs of complex Excel forms. They just replaced the rack location tab with one about AWS regions lol. It's as static as it can be. We even have the old lead-time for hardware emulated in the cloud now because of the complex approval process taking up similar time. When you take the agile and auto scaling out of the cloud you just end up paying more. But I'm done telling them they're holding it wrong... Nobody wants to know. I hope being modern was worth it. /s

anovikov 4y ago
I had a terrible case of a client spending $6000 per month on a visibly innocent things and refused to move it into dedicated because he could not believe it can bring any savings because "clouds are cheap". Until i just did it at my own expense because with my retainer, a server cost me something like 1.5-2 hours of work per month equivalent. By the way, it's only in the US. In Europe, people are a lot less zombified and susceptible to advertisement/brand image.
alecco 4y ago
> Some exec decided we must be modern and all cloud. And now this exec has this "success story" in his CV and either got a promotion or jumped ship to a better role at another company. It's a tried and true strategy for the ridiculous corporate rat race.
warrenm 4y ago
>They just replaced the rack location tab with one about AWS regions lol As a first swipe ... this is smart - stepping your way into change is often better than one swell foop However, if you never revisit it / plan to improve and do things The New Way(tm), it's stupid Of course, Microsoft, Google, Oracle, Amazon, etc aren't going to do you any favors and show you how to use cloud computing more effectively than dedicated hardware unless you ask them to: they're just providing a service; if you want to pay them $100,000 for something you could do for $1750...who are they to argue?
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  I agree it would be a good stepping stone. But it doesn't seem like we are stepping anywhere. For example, if there was a clear vision to a real cloud-based company, I would have at least made facilities to to do new things The New Way rather than forcing everything to be the old way. Which is what they're doing. I needed a beefy server do run a big datacrunch periodically, using only minimal software which I can easily autodeploy for every crunch, run it a few hours and kill it till the next time. Sounds like a great option to use cloud, right? Kubernetes would be a bit heavy for this but I could totally ansible this. However there seems to be no way in our org to get a server I can simply spin up when I need it. It needs to be requested in advance in threefold, internal billing agreed etc, and even if I turn it off we'll still be billed for it because I can't destroy it. Destroying and spinning up a new one would mean going through the entire rigmarole again :P The funny thing is, we always do this. By the time we actually go full-on cloud, the world will already have moved on and be on the next great thing, and our neat cloud setup will be all deprecated tech.
  - warrenm 4y ago
    I've had the [mis|good]fortune of working with some customers like your company - the best advice I can give you is to find a place that isn't so mired in bureaucratic idiocy :P
    - anovikov 4y ago
      Why? It's always advisable to work with a customer who has more money than brains.
      - warrenm 4y ago
        Work with a customer with more money than brains? Sure Work for a company with money than brains? Ideally not :)
        kortilla 4y ago

anovikov 4y ago

I had a terrible case of a client spending $6000 per month on a visibly innocent things and refused to move it into dedicated because he could not believe it can bring any savings because "clouds are cheap". Until i just did it at my own expense because with my retainer, a server cost me something like 1.5-2 hours of work per month equivalent. By the way, it's only in the US. In Europe, people are a lot less zombified and susceptible to advertisement/brand image.

alecco 4y ago

> Some exec decided we must be modern and all cloud. And now this exec has this "success story" in his CV and either got a promotion or jumped ship to a better role at another company. It's a tried and true strategy for the ridiculous corporate rat race.

warrenm 4y ago

>They just replaced the rack location tab with one about AWS regions lol As a first swipe ... this is smart - stepping your way into change is often better than one swell foop However, if you never revisit it / plan to improve and do things The New Way(tm), it's stupid Of course, Microsoft, Google, Oracle, Amazon, etc aren't going to do you any favors and show you how to use cloud computing more effectively than dedicated hardware unless you ask them to: they're just providing a service; if you want to pay them $100,000 for something you could do for $1750...who are they to argue?

GekkePrutser 4y ago
I agree it would be a good stepping stone. But it doesn't seem like we are stepping anywhere. For example, if there was a clear vision to a real cloud-based company, I would have at least made facilities to to do new things The New Way rather than forcing everything to be the old way. Which is what they're doing. I needed a beefy server do run a big datacrunch periodically, using only minimal software which I can easily autodeploy for every crunch, run it a few hours and kill it till the next time. Sounds like a great option to use cloud, right? Kubernetes would be a bit heavy for this but I could totally ansible this. However there seems to be no way in our org to get a server I can simply spin up when I need it. It needs to be requested in advance in threefold, internal billing agreed etc, and even if I turn it off we'll still be billed for it because I can't destroy it. Destroying and spinning up a new one would mean going through the entire rigmarole again :P The funny thing is, we always do this. By the time we actually go full-on cloud, the world will already have moved on and be on the next great thing, and our neat cloud setup will be all deprecated tech.
- warrenm 4y ago
  I've had the [mis|good]fortune of working with some customers like your company - the best advice I can give you is to find a place that isn't so mired in bureaucratic idiocy :P
  - anovikov 4y ago
    Why? It's always advisable to work with a customer who has more money than brains.
    - warrenm 4y ago
      Work with a customer with more money than brains? Sure Work for a company with money than brains? Ideally not :)
      - kortilla 4y ago