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I'm kind of skeptical of the "This is what it costs to haul with Electric vs Diesel" because the difference is that I can call a guy up tomorrow and he'll have

I'm kind of skeptical of the "This is what it costs to haul with Electric vs Diesel" because the difference is that I can call a guy up tomorrow and he'll have a diesel truck outside my house. A lot of the hand wavey "Once we have mega chargers, solar panels etc." Well yeah sure, and it'll all be free once we hae nuclear fusion. I'm just sceptical because I've worked at companies where out next product will beat our competitors previous generation. It's a stupid game to play. Also, doing this in the Ukraine war, well... might not be the best time to extrapolate. I'm pretty sure that electric is the answer long term whether it's directly economically beneficial right now or not. But this isn't good maths.

CyberDildonics 4y ago
Why would you being able to have a diesel truck outside your house affect the cost? Once we have mega chargers, solar panels etc Who is saying that? There are already 250 kilowatt super chargers out there now. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/01/teslas-nanochargers-deliver-250-kw-charging-1722-km-hr-today/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/01/teslas-nanochargers-del... I'm just sceptical (skeptical) because I've worked at companies where out next product will beat our competitors previous generation What does that have to do with anything? You think diesel trucks are going to leapfrog electric trucks in efficiency by the time electric semis make it to market?
- itsoktocry 4y ago
  >Why would you being able to have a diesel truck outside your house affect the cost? Because the electric truck has an undefined cost, because it doesn't exist, and can't ship any goods.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    If they're supposed to ship this year, how certain are you that they don't exist and don't have a cost?
    - pushingice 4y ago
      Because they're supposed to have shipped every year since 2019.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        Were they promising to ship within the next hundred days before?
- tomcam 4y ago
  > Why would you being able to have a diesel truck outside your house affect the cost? It affects opex like crazy. Tesla service has been problematic since the very beginning. Parts are highly available for diesels. Being able to have a diesel guy outside your house means you don’t have to worry about Teslas customer service disappearing you for a few weeks or months at a time.
kurthr 4y ago
I think the point of these Semis is for delivery from a facility (Pepsi/FedEx). The facilities have the Mega chargers (several already built) that the trucks return to. Another big part of the win is maintenance costs which are also noticeably lower.

CyberDildonics 4y ago

Why would you being able to have a diesel truck outside your house affect the cost? Once we have mega chargers, solar panels etc Who is saying that? There are already 250 kilowatt super chargers out there now. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/01/teslas-nanochargers-deliver-250-kw-charging-1722-km-hr-today/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/01/teslas-nanochargers-del... I'm just sceptical (skeptical) because I've worked at companies where out next product will beat our competitors previous generation What does that have to do with anything? You think diesel trucks are going to leapfrog electric trucks in efficiency by the time electric semis make it to market?

itsoktocry 4y ago
>Why would you being able to have a diesel truck outside your house affect the cost? Because the electric truck has an undefined cost, because it doesn't exist, and can't ship any goods.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  If they're supposed to ship this year, how certain are you that they don't exist and don't have a cost?
  - pushingice 4y ago
    Because they're supposed to have shipped every year since 2019.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      Were they promising to ship within the next hundred days before?
tomcam 4y ago
> Why would you being able to have a diesel truck outside your house affect the cost? It affects opex like crazy. Tesla service has been problematic since the very beginning. Parts are highly available for diesels. Being able to have a diesel guy outside your house means you don’t have to worry about Teslas customer service disappearing you for a few weeks or months at a time.

kurthr 4y ago

I think the point of these Semis is for delivery from a facility (Pepsi/FedEx). The facilities have the Mega chargers (several already built) that the trucks return to. Another big part of the win is maintenance costs which are also noticeably lower.