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> Documentation is limited, but Bun’s Discord is very active and a great source of knowledge. :-1: I loath to use discords search interface to look for informa

> Documentation is limited, but Bun’s Discord is very active and a great source of knowledge. :-1: I loath to use discords search interface to look for information. I'm sure the Bun team doesn't see this as an end goal, but I wish forums were still a thing. At least they're mostly indexed.

toastal 4y ago
> Choosing proprietary tools and services for your free software project ultimately sends a message to downstream developers and users of your project that freedom of all users—developers included—is not a priority. — Matt Lee https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opinion-github-vs-gitlab https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opinion-github-vs-gitla...
- nickserv 4y ago
  I agree, but nobody bats an eye if your open source project is hosted on GitHub.
  - aposm 4y ago
    I see your point, and I don't use GH when I can avoid it, but those are very different in my mind. GH, for all its flaws, is a value-added hosting service on top of git. It interoperates freely with any other Git host and you can clone/pull at any time. Discord is in an entirely different category: a completely proprietary reimplementation of IRC, with rent-seeking features bolted on.
    - emkoemko 4y ago
      IRC is horrible compared to Discord at least you have a history to of chat vs nothing.
      - toastal 4y ago
        This is why SourceHut provides an IRC bouncer with its paid subscription because they are committed to the usability of IRC.
  - qudat 4y ago
    A friend and I recently started a dev collective (https://pico.sh https://pico.sh) to work on projects targeting the smol web. We decided that many popular communication and collaboration tools would not fit into our stack. Things like GitHub and discord were out of the question pretty quickly. Instead we opted for Sourcehut and irc and have been pretty happy with the results.
  - ezfe 4y ago
    For issue management, sure – but just using Github doesn't remove the semi-decentralization of git.
  - sbmthakur 4y ago
    At least some of the things on GitHub are not inside a walled garden.
- svnpenn 4y ago
  I am all for moving away from GitHub, but GitLab is dogshit: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/22578 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/22578 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/556 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/556 I think Codeberg is a better option: https://codeberg.org https://codeberg.org
  - toastal 4y ago
    How is that first issue a blocker for you? It arguably makes the plafond worse to have more gamification and social features. Anyways, GitLab vs. GitHub is a myopic lens for the quote I posted. All proprietary software choices have consequences, and it this case we're focusing on the parent's issues with Discord vs. open alternatives.
ilammy 4y ago
In this case, you're not supposed to search. You're supposed to ask your question, hoping that once somebody gets annoyed enough to repeat the answer over and over, this question gets deemed worthy of documenting.
- yomkippur 4y ago
  This was my experience working with Unreal Engine. Couldn't figure out what to do next until I could get somebody to take a look at my problem and that would take multiple postings on discord to get somebody's attention. Somebody had the galls to get upset by my question because he was in the middle of getting help on his. This support by discord or community only on discord trend needs to stop. It's just creating toxicity and those with malice/narcissism personality dominates. Rarely do fast response times create a sane knowledge based community, it only agitates and lots of noise is created as a result.

toastal 4y ago

> Choosing proprietary tools and services for your free software project ultimately sends a message to downstream developers and users of your project that freedom of all users—developers included—is not a priority. — Matt Lee https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opinion-github-vs-gitlab https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opinion-github-vs-gitla...

nickserv 4y ago
I agree, but nobody bats an eye if your open source project is hosted on GitHub.
- aposm 4y ago
  I see your point, and I don't use GH when I can avoid it, but those are very different in my mind. GH, for all its flaws, is a value-added hosting service on top of git. It interoperates freely with any other Git host and you can clone/pull at any time. Discord is in an entirely different category: a completely proprietary reimplementation of IRC, with rent-seeking features bolted on.
  - emkoemko 4y ago
    IRC is horrible compared to Discord at least you have a history to of chat vs nothing.
    - toastal 4y ago
      This is why SourceHut provides an IRC bouncer with its paid subscription because they are committed to the usability of IRC.
- qudat 4y ago
  A friend and I recently started a dev collective (https://pico.sh https://pico.sh) to work on projects targeting the smol web. We decided that many popular communication and collaboration tools would not fit into our stack. Things like GitHub and discord were out of the question pretty quickly. Instead we opted for Sourcehut and irc and have been pretty happy with the results.
- ezfe 4y ago
  For issue management, sure – but just using Github doesn't remove the semi-decentralization of git.
- sbmthakur 4y ago
  At least some of the things on GitHub are not inside a walled garden.
svnpenn 4y ago
I am all for moving away from GitHub, but GitLab is dogshit: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/22578 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/22578 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/556 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/556 I think Codeberg is a better option: https://codeberg.org https://codeberg.org
- toastal 4y ago
  How is that first issue a blocker for you? It arguably makes the plafond worse to have more gamification and social features. Anyways, GitLab vs. GitHub is a myopic lens for the quote I posted. All proprietary software choices have consequences, and it this case we're focusing on the parent's issues with Discord vs. open alternatives.

ilammy 4y ago

In this case, you're not supposed to search. You're supposed to ask your question, hoping that once somebody gets annoyed enough to repeat the answer over and over, this question gets deemed worthy of documenting.

yomkippur 4y ago
This was my experience working with Unreal Engine. Couldn't figure out what to do next until I could get somebody to take a look at my problem and that would take multiple postings on discord to get somebody's attention. Somebody had the galls to get upset by my question because he was in the middle of getting help on his. This support by discord or community only on discord trend needs to stop. It's just creating toxicity and those with malice/narcissism personality dominates. Rarely do fast response times create a sane knowledge based community, it only agitates and lots of noise is created as a result.