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Hi there, creators of Logistics here. Super happy to see this featured on Hacker News. Feel free to ask us anything! official site is logisticsartproject.com

gtsop 4y ago
Where can we see it?
- logisticsfilm 4y ago
  Right now only at the library at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. We had the full film up on Vimeo for a year but it was too expensive too keep it there. Its hard to find a good cheap place to host a movie of this length.
  - madmod 4y ago
    Can I please buy a copy?
    - logisticsfilm 4y ago
      unfortunately its not for sale, but we are actively looking for a place to host it as a VOD again. Send us an email if you want to be notified if and when its available again. (email in profile)
  - chrismiller 4y ago
    Would love to help you get this back online if you are interested! Happy to host it or point you in the right direction if you'd like to do it yourself.
    - logisticsfilm 4y ago
      Sounds great! Our email is in our profile.
  - metadat 4y ago
    Are you open to distributing via torrent?
    - logisticsfilm 4y ago
      So far we have chosen not to because we consider the core of the work to be the continuous length of the film. A torrent would enable timelapses and short versions. But we will think about it.
      - djbusby 4y ago
        That can/will happen regardless of distribution via Vimeo or torrent or YT or whatever. Torrent doesn't enable that any more than any other distribution channel.
        robswc 4y ago
        Yea, a bit confused about that as well. Maybe they mean providers could offer the download in chunks? But yea, there's nothing stopping someone getting the full file and just ffwding that.
      - yunohn 4y ago
        What’s wrong with a timelapse? Seems like the perfect opportunity.
      - t6jvcereio 4y ago
        This is weird. No normal person is going to watch 857 hours. The only person to watch that long are movie industry people, so they can write about it. Separate question, how do you monetize this?
        jamiek88 4y ago
        It’s art.
  - radihuq 4y ago
    out of curiosity, how big is the file? EDIT: never mind, I see you answered this in another comment: > The original film is around 10TB of mpeg2 1080p 25mbit/sec 25 frames per second. > We later transcoded to h264, it now clocks in at about 2TB.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - djbusby 4y ago
    Is this a case for PeerTube?
  - corny 4y ago
    The Polygon Gallery (North Vancouver, BC) hosted The Clock a few years ago. But staying open for a 24 hour long film must be much easier than for a month long film.
  - kevinmchugh 4y ago
    Could you continuously stream it on twitch or YouTube or the like?
    - logisticsfilm 4y ago
      Youtube has commercials which we would like to avoid, but we had not considered twitch. Perhaps that's a good idea. We have livestreamed it before, but it's quite a commitment to keep a stream running 24/7 for 37 days.
      - junon 4y ago
        Torrents?
    - logisticsfilm 4y ago
      Great idea, thanks! Since several of you have asked how to watch the movie, we spontaneously decided to stream the first 21 hours of Logistics on Twitch. Since it will soon be night here in Sweden, we will not be able to keep track of the stream. We're keeping our fingers crossed that it works. Unfortunately we will not be able to stream the entire film this time, but hope to do so later. The stream is live now at https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject
  - buck4roo 4y ago
    Have you considered archive.org?
    - gregsadetsky 4y ago
      Really great suggestion -- @logisticsfilm you should consider it! Also https://ubu.com/ https://ubu.com/ might be interested to host/distribute it and it's a great fit as well.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - epolanski 4y ago
    Split it in different pieces and upload it on YouTube?
  - moralestapia 4y ago
    Sounds like a good fit for Cloudflare's R2 (and see if they keep their word).
boomboomsubban 4y ago
Why is it silent? Was a camera with an acceptable microphone too expensive/difficult to maintain? The article makes a big deal out of finally seeing a person. Is that person aware of the movie? Sounds like an interesting film, thanks for answering questions about it.
- logisticsfilm 4y ago
  We couldn't figure out what sound to have, so we opted for silence. We also hoped it would be more contemplative without sound. Yes he is aware that the camera is recording, he needed to wash the windows on the bridge.
  - amelius 4y ago
    > We couldn't figure out what sound to have, so we opted for silence. Why not simply record the sound near the camera?
    - stevage 4y ago
      Possible privacy issues?
Balgair 4y ago
What was the hardest thing about accomplishing this? What was the easiest? Any advice for other film-makers?
- logisticsfilm 4y ago
  Some of the hardest things were: - Gathering facts about the product, where it was manufactured and what its shipping routes were. - Getting permission to film during the trip. - Finding a technical solution (in 2011) that could record continuously during the entire journey of the container ship. It was comparatively easy to design the concept, it then took a very long time to implement. We are not professional filmmakers, but something that helped us was to be stubborn.
  - junon 4y ago
    Being stubborn is highly underrated!
logisticsfilm 4y ago
Since several of you have asked how to watch the movie, we spontaneously decided to stream the first 21 hours of Logistics on Twitch. Since it will soon be night here in Sweden, we will not be able to keep track of the stream. We're keeping our fingers crossed that it works. Unfortunately we will not be able to stream the entire film this time, but hope to do so later. The stream is live now at https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject
testplzignore 4y ago
How many times have you watched it yourself?
amelius 4y ago
Did you track GPS data along with the video? I suppose it would be nice if you could view a map with the current position while watching the movie.
thatwasunusual 4y ago
Thanks for doing this! It brings me to a story from two years ago about Norwegian (...) fish - branded as "environment friendly" - is sent from Norway to China for filleting, and then back to the market. About 25% of all the cod sold by one of the biggest companies in Norway has endured this trip. It's worth mentioning that the fish in question comes from "all over the world", but still. Google translation: https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/norge/miljomerka-torsk-vert-sendt-tur-retur-kina-noreg-for-filetering-1.14867646?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/norge/miljomerka-torsk-ver...

gtsop 4y ago

Where can we see it?

logisticsfilm 4y ago
Right now only at the library at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. We had the full film up on Vimeo for a year but it was too expensive too keep it there. Its hard to find a good cheap place to host a movie of this length.
- madmod 4y ago
  Can I please buy a copy?
  - logisticsfilm 4y ago
    unfortunately its not for sale, but we are actively looking for a place to host it as a VOD again. Send us an email if you want to be notified if and when its available again. (email in profile)
- chrismiller 4y ago
  Would love to help you get this back online if you are interested! Happy to host it or point you in the right direction if you'd like to do it yourself.
  - logisticsfilm 4y ago
    Sounds great! Our email is in our profile.
- metadat 4y ago
  Are you open to distributing via torrent?
  - logisticsfilm 4y ago
    So far we have chosen not to because we consider the core of the work to be the continuous length of the film. A torrent would enable timelapses and short versions. But we will think about it.
    - djbusby 4y ago
      That can/will happen regardless of distribution via Vimeo or torrent or YT or whatever. Torrent doesn't enable that any more than any other distribution channel.
      - robswc 4y ago
        Yea, a bit confused about that as well. Maybe they mean providers could offer the download in chunks? But yea, there's nothing stopping someone getting the full file and just ffwding that.
    - yunohn 4y ago
      What’s wrong with a timelapse? Seems like the perfect opportunity.
    - t6jvcereio 4y ago
      This is weird. No normal person is going to watch 857 hours. The only person to watch that long are movie industry people, so they can write about it. Separate question, how do you monetize this?
      - jamiek88 4y ago
        It’s art.
- radihuq 4y ago
  out of curiosity, how big is the file? EDIT: never mind, I see you answered this in another comment: > The original film is around 10TB of mpeg2 1080p 25mbit/sec 25 frames per second. > We later transcoded to h264, it now clocks in at about 2TB.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- djbusby 4y ago
  Is this a case for PeerTube?
- corny 4y ago
  The Polygon Gallery (North Vancouver, BC) hosted The Clock a few years ago. But staying open for a 24 hour long film must be much easier than for a month long film.
- kevinmchugh 4y ago
  Could you continuously stream it on twitch or YouTube or the like?
  - logisticsfilm 4y ago
    Youtube has commercials which we would like to avoid, but we had not considered twitch. Perhaps that's a good idea. We have livestreamed it before, but it's quite a commitment to keep a stream running 24/7 for 37 days.
    - junon 4y ago
      Torrents?
  - logisticsfilm 4y ago
    Great idea, thanks! Since several of you have asked how to watch the movie, we spontaneously decided to stream the first 21 hours of Logistics on Twitch. Since it will soon be night here in Sweden, we will not be able to keep track of the stream. We're keeping our fingers crossed that it works. Unfortunately we will not be able to stream the entire film this time, but hope to do so later. The stream is live now at https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject
- buck4roo 4y ago
  Have you considered archive.org?
  - gregsadetsky 4y ago
    Really great suggestion -- @logisticsfilm you should consider it! Also https://ubu.com/ https://ubu.com/ might be interested to host/distribute it and it's a great fit as well.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- epolanski 4y ago
  Split it in different pieces and upload it on YouTube?
- moralestapia 4y ago
  Sounds like a good fit for Cloudflare's R2 (and see if they keep their word).

boomboomsubban 4y ago

Why is it silent? Was a camera with an acceptable microphone too expensive/difficult to maintain? The article makes a big deal out of finally seeing a person. Is that person aware of the movie? Sounds like an interesting film, thanks for answering questions about it.

logisticsfilm 4y ago
We couldn't figure out what sound to have, so we opted for silence. We also hoped it would be more contemplative without sound. Yes he is aware that the camera is recording, he needed to wash the windows on the bridge.
- amelius 4y ago
  > We couldn't figure out what sound to have, so we opted for silence. Why not simply record the sound near the camera?
  - stevage 4y ago
    Possible privacy issues?

Balgair 4y ago

What was the hardest thing about accomplishing this? What was the easiest? Any advice for other film-makers?

logisticsfilm 4y ago
Some of the hardest things were: - Gathering facts about the product, where it was manufactured and what its shipping routes were. - Getting permission to film during the trip. - Finding a technical solution (in 2011) that could record continuously during the entire journey of the container ship. It was comparatively easy to design the concept, it then took a very long time to implement. We are not professional filmmakers, but something that helped us was to be stubborn.
- junon 4y ago
  Being stubborn is highly underrated!

logisticsfilm 4y ago

Since several of you have asked how to watch the movie, we spontaneously decided to stream the first 21 hours of Logistics on Twitch. Since it will soon be night here in Sweden, we will not be able to keep track of the stream. We're keeping our fingers crossed that it works. Unfortunately we will not be able to stream the entire film this time, but hope to do so later. The stream is live now at https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject https://www.twitch.tv/logisticsartproject

testplzignore 4y ago

How many times have you watched it yourself?

amelius 4y ago

Did you track GPS data along with the video? I suppose it would be nice if you could view a map with the current position while watching the movie.

thatwasunusual 4y ago

Thanks for doing this! It brings me to a story from two years ago about Norwegian (...) fish - branded as "environment friendly" - is sent from Norway to China for filleting, and then back to the market. About 25% of all the cod sold by one of the biggest companies in Norway has endured this trip. It's worth mentioning that the fish in question comes from "all over the world", but still. Google translation: https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/norge/miljomerka-torsk-vert-sendt-tur-retur-kina-noreg-for-filetering-1.14867646?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/norge/miljomerka-torsk-ver...