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I really like their software concept, I saw the link you posted in the past and it disturbs me. I wish they would address the elephant in the room. Also there

by jmclnx 4y ago

I really like their software concept, I saw the link you posted in the past and it disturbs me. I wish they would address the elephant in the room. Also there is this (see below) with a pic of a past US president. That along with what you posted seems to me they are doubling down. Too much of a coincidence to me. https://suckless.org/conferences/2019/ https://suckless.org/conferences/2019/

lifthrasiir 4y ago
> Also there is this (see below) with a pic of a past US president. While I don't like suckless for various reasons, this seems to be a coincidence because the presenter used images of multiple US presidents, not just one in the thumbnail. You can verify it by the actual video linked from the thumbnail.
- simlevesque 4y ago
  Yeah but someone decided to use that thumbnail.
  - lifthrasiir 4y ago
    This is a valid take and I actually took efforts to locate the position of the thumbnail in the video (their server is somehow slow to reach from my country, so...). It's around 14:50 and right before the Q&A. I'm not very sure if a better (in terms of avoiding controversy) thumbnail is possible; the presentation is about a video "editor" and the only visually meaningful frames are photos of two presidents and a mix of them, so picking any of them would be problematic. To be honest why do you use those photos in the presentation after all? I do get that organizers have zero consideration about inappropriate presentations, and that's one of the reasons I don't like suckless in general.
soupbowl 4y ago
baileycoffee 4y ago
thrownonnazi 4y ago
The presenter is Mattias Andrée and is allegedly an active Neo Nazi in Stockholm according to a public post from Swedish Antifa in Swedish (use Google Translate). Posting from a throwaway for obvious reasons. This being said, he is the only Neo Nazi I know of in the Suckless community and I know of more than a handful of Anarchists. So my takeaway has always been that maybe they attract extremists more than that they have some sort of weird Nazi bent and appeal. My personal stance is that the software is fine and that using it is fine. The community lacks a spokesperson to defend itself due to its fairly decentralized nature. So there is really no they that you can ask for a statement. Frankly the fact that these accusations surface all the time is beginning to border on being slanderous as I am sure other communities have their hidden Nazis as well. Suckless seem to genuinely believe in older ideals of "code speaks" and "keep politics out" when you look at their behavior. Given how incredibly marginal their influence and user base is, do we really need to go over them with a fine comb or can we perhaps safely leave them alone?

by jmclnx 4y ago

lifthrasiir 4y ago

> Also there is this (see below) with a pic of a past US president. While I don't like suckless for various reasons, this seems to be a coincidence because the presenter used images of multiple US presidents, not just one in the thumbnail. You can verify it by the actual video linked from the thumbnail.

simlevesque 4y ago
Yeah but someone decided to use that thumbnail.
- lifthrasiir 4y ago
  This is a valid take and I actually took efforts to locate the position of the thumbnail in the video (their server is somehow slow to reach from my country, so...). It's around 14:50 and right before the Q&A. I'm not very sure if a better (in terms of avoiding controversy) thumbnail is possible; the presentation is about a video "editor" and the only visually meaningful frames are photos of two presidents and a mix of them, so picking any of them would be problematic. To be honest why do you use those photos in the presentation after all? I do get that organizers have zero consideration about inappropriate presentations, and that's one of the reasons I don't like suckless in general.

soupbowl 4y ago

baileycoffee 4y ago

thrownonnazi 4y ago

The presenter is Mattias Andrée and is allegedly an active Neo Nazi in Stockholm according to a public post from Swedish Antifa in Swedish (use Google Translate). Posting from a throwaway for obvious reasons. This being said, he is the only Neo Nazi I know of in the Suckless community and I know of more than a handful of Anarchists. So my takeaway has always been that maybe they attract extremists more than that they have some sort of weird Nazi bent and appeal. My personal stance is that the software is fine and that using it is fine. The community lacks a spokesperson to defend itself due to its fairly decentralized nature. So there is really no they that you can ask for a statement. Frankly the fact that these accusations surface all the time is beginning to border on being slanderous as I am sure other communities have their hidden Nazis as well. Suckless seem to genuinely believe in older ideals of "code speaks" and "keep politics out" when you look at their behavior. Given how incredibly marginal their influence and user base is, do we really need to go over them with a fine comb or can we perhaps safely leave them alone?