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Microsoft and Sony appear to have solved it for their gaming consoles. Satellite TV providers definitely solved it by now after learning from their mistakes. A

by xaduha 4y ago

Microsoft and Sony appear to have solved it for their gaming consoles. Satellite TV providers definitely solved it by now after learning from their mistakes. All in all there are plenty of devices in the world that are protected against physical access, so if Starlink tried doing that and failed, then that's definitely through an exploited vulnerability.

armchairhacker 4y ago
> Microsoft and Sony appear to have solved it for their gaming consoles Have they? I know Apple an Nintendo have been trying for years and we have jailbreak and Homebrew, I believe there is even jailbreak for nintendo switch. If there isn't yet an exploit to gain root on Xbox and PS5, it's only a matter of time.
- extheat 4y ago
  There is one for PS5, no hardware hack needed. I don’t know about Xbox.
- belltaco 4y ago
  >If there isn't yet an exploit to gain root on Xbox and PS5, it's only a matter of time Xbox One didn't have a root exploit for its entire lifetime and counting. It was released back in 2013. That's nine years. So one could say MS "solved it".
Scoundreller 4y ago
> Satellite TV providers definitely solved it by now after learning from their mistakes. I don't know if they really "solved" it. I think the appetite for new hacks dwindled with broadband internet everywhere and streaming services. Cat doesn't care for the mouse so much when there's kibble everywhere.
- xaduha 4y ago
  Using this table for reference and the fact that proper smartcards like banking cards and SIM cards are secure I'm pretty confident calling modern CA systems secure too. If some providers don't have one of those, then it's probably because it's not worth it for them to switch or upgrade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_access#Digital_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_access#Digital_sys... EDIT: More than that, some recent ones even solved so called 'card sharing' which is basically using a legitimate card to transmit control words over network to many users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_sharing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_sharing
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    I'm not saying the modern CAMs have been compromised, just saying the profit incentive has dwindled. For a while, entirely non-OEM receivers were being used with key distribution over the internet. But at that point, just get a black market IPTV subscription. Compromising the cards has a fraction of the value it used to, and there's more 'locked down' targets in other devices to focus one's skills at.
    - xaduha 4y ago
      Handwave all you want, but the topic at hand is a possibility of securing devices against physical access attacks. And it's not only possible, it's pretty straightforward if you don't suffer from NIH syndrome. And as an example satellite TV providers did it (or acquired a license for it). If you're saying that incentives to hack them aren't there anymore, then that's just wrong because the foundation on which such security is based on affects many things. Declining popularity of SatTV as a whole in a particular country is neither here, nor there. If a hacker mentioned in the article could hack a CA system, he would've.
      - Scoundreller 4y ago
        ok

by xaduha 4y ago

armchairhacker 4y ago

> Microsoft and Sony appear to have solved it for their gaming consoles Have they? I know Apple an Nintendo have been trying for years and we have jailbreak and Homebrew, I believe there is even jailbreak for nintendo switch. If there isn't yet an exploit to gain root on Xbox and PS5, it's only a matter of time.

extheat 4y ago
There is one for PS5, no hardware hack needed. I don’t know about Xbox.
belltaco 4y ago
>If there isn't yet an exploit to gain root on Xbox and PS5, it's only a matter of time Xbox One didn't have a root exploit for its entire lifetime and counting. It was released back in 2013. That's nine years. So one could say MS "solved it".

Scoundreller 4y ago

> Satellite TV providers definitely solved it by now after learning from their mistakes. I don't know if they really "solved" it. I think the appetite for new hacks dwindled with broadband internet everywhere and streaming services. Cat doesn't care for the mouse so much when there's kibble everywhere.

xaduha 4y ago
Using this table for reference and the fact that proper smartcards like banking cards and SIM cards are secure I'm pretty confident calling modern CA systems secure too. If some providers don't have one of those, then it's probably because it's not worth it for them to switch or upgrade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_access#Digital_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_access#Digital_sys... EDIT: More than that, some recent ones even solved so called 'card sharing' which is basically using a legitimate card to transmit control words over network to many users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_sharing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_sharing
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  I'm not saying the modern CAMs have been compromised, just saying the profit incentive has dwindled. For a while, entirely non-OEM receivers were being used with key distribution over the internet. But at that point, just get a black market IPTV subscription. Compromising the cards has a fraction of the value it used to, and there's more 'locked down' targets in other devices to focus one's skills at.
  - xaduha 4y ago
    Handwave all you want, but the topic at hand is a possibility of securing devices against physical access attacks. And it's not only possible, it's pretty straightforward if you don't suffer from NIH syndrome. And as an example satellite TV providers did it (or acquired a license for it). If you're saying that incentives to hack them aren't there anymore, then that's just wrong because the foundation on which such security is based on affects many things. Declining popularity of SatTV as a whole in a particular country is neither here, nor there. If a hacker mentioned in the article could hack a CA system, he would've.
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      ok