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Author Salman Rushdie attacked on lecture stage in New York
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- danso 4y agoEdit: as per u/xwowsersx, the tweet author has updated with "the person who had tweeted they witnessed him walking off stage with assistance has deleted the tweet and said he's unavailable for a media interview, so I would not put too much faith in that particular report. Waiting for an update/clarification." https://twitter.com/NotThatRKelly/status/1558115783674404864 https://twitter.com/NotThatRKelly/status/1558115783674404864 original comment below: https://twitter.com/NotThatRKelly/status/1558110761217654787 https://twitter.com/NotThatRKelly/status/1558110761217654787 > To summarize reports: Author Salman Rushdie was stabbed after taking stage at a Chautauqua Institute event. He received aid on-site and was able to eventually walk off stage with assistance. This man has been detained by police:
- xwowsersx 4y agohttps://twitter.com/NotThatRKelly/status/1558115226628792323?s=20&t=G_Y-N2CF3IJDyJsubwEzyQ https://twitter.com/NotThatRKelly/status/1558115226628792323... > The tweets reporting that he walked off stage have been deleted, and no status has been reported.
- jquery 4y agoHow aggravating. I hope he’s ok
- enw 4y ago
- sethjr5rtfgh 4y ago
- ch4s3 4y agoIt will be interesting to see if we learn about the motivations of the attacker, the AP doesn't seem to be reporting on that yet.
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
- toyg 4y agoLol, you must be young. You think "they" didn't like the Pope, or the Kennedys, or Reagan, or any of the famous folks publicly attacked...?
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- ch4s3 4y agoThis feels conspiratorial, but is actually also incorrect. Rushdie didn't actually receive much support in the media around the fatwa, the popular narrative in certain types of publications was that he had brought it on himself.
- jsnk 4y agoDo we really need the press to tell us 4 is the sum of 2 and 2 for everything? I think it's fairly simple and we should be able to put 2 and 2 together.
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- Beltalowda 4y agoQuite a number of people have been assassinated by random people with mental health issues. Of course, it would be naïve to not suspect a relation to Islamic fundamentalism, but as a public person you're kind of always at risk, and you can never know the motivation. It doesn't really matter if that's reported today or tomorrow, when we can operate on facts rather than assumptions (even if those assumptions are likely to be true). And taking back wrong reporting is basically impossible as many people will never see the correction.
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- ulfw 4y agofree of what?
- jeffwask 4y agoplease don't make me ad the /s
- mancerayder 4y agoAnd observers hoping to police ideas, speech and whether something is offensive, with the intention of shutting someone down. They don't call it censorship. It's like some sort of revival of Puritanism, but without the warehousing of mentally ill people we did until the 1970s.
- TMWNN 4y ago>And observers hoping to police ideas, speech and whether something is offensive, with the intention of shutting someone down. They don't call it censorship. I've heard it said that "problematic" is the woke religion's equivalent to "blasphemous".
- jiggywiggy 4y agoI mean you can blame the US for many things, but if you want to blame large groups of people and institution in this case the US is not to blame. He had a fatwa over his head for 25 years. And Islamic people don't take insults of their prophet lightly, not even moderate ones. However there is only a subset, mostly young man, really willing to use violence over it.
- onychomys 4y agoIs he the greatest living author to never have won the Nobel? I vote yes.
- yardstick 4y agoWhat’s the solution here? How can people who embrace freedom of the press, freedom of opinion and people who violently disagree with such freedoms, live and thrive?
- toyg 4y agoThat's the paradox of open societies. Popper wrote a bunch about it. Generally speaking, you just draw a line somewhere, and the open society ends there. Nazi apologist in Germany? You won't get the same privileges as the rest of the population. The challenge is to find a location for such line that is not clearly oppressive towards minorities with a right to exist (i.e. not the nazis).
- Comevius 4y agoWestern democracies don't embrace absolute freedom, nor should they. Intolerating intolerance, violently if we must is the only way for tolerance to exist. The only problem is that you need a value system geared toward long-term sustainability for any of this to be viable.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
- Ftuuky 4y agoIIRC Salman Rushdie has been followed by a bodyguard for decades now due to his controversial book "Satanic Verses" (1988) [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses_controversy
- hammyhavoc 4y agoYes, Iran issued a fatwa on him. Of all the places, I learned the most about it from Curb Your Enthusiasm, weirdly.
- everybodyknows 4y agoA sad irony: Rushdie recently recited a short story (by a different author) describing a successful assassination plot -- https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/fiction/salman-rushdie-reads-donald-barthelme https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/fiction/salman-rushdie-rea...
- blueflow 4y ago
- AnonCoward42 4y agoThere is however no mention of the motif for this attack.
- Comevius 4y agoThis guy is a legend. He lives in the heads of half of the Islamic world rent-free since publishing a book 30 years ago that illustrated just how fragile can be one's perception of reality, opening up many avenues for political manipulation. He touched a sore spot there. And yet he is not the one mocking religion, the religious people are mocking it themselves by treating it and their God as a fragile thing subject to books and magazines written by foreigners thousands of miles away.
- jedimind 4y ago
- mhh__ 4y agoLiberal values?
- nxmnxm99 4y agoI don't get what's so admirable about antagonizing a bunch of people? Obviously he should be allowed to say whatever he wants, but celebrating people who do that always struck me as silly. To each his own, but I wouldn't be celebrating someone writing books intended to piss off black people or the LGBT community either.
- JoeAltmaier 4y agoIt cuts both ways. Do we celebrate (or even tolerate) people who declare a death sentence on others who violate their extreme rules? Should they be a protected class? Doesn't that elevate them to some kind of privileged people?
- nxmnxm99 4y agoWho's celebrating or protecting people making death sentences?
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- dogma1138 4y agoBBC live thread: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62524833 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62524833 Looks like he was stabbed multiple times including in the neck.
- squarefoot 4y agoBrought to mind a line I read somewhere years ago: "if you think your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself".
- mjklin 4y ago“It is putting a very high price on one’s opinions to have someone burn at the stake on their account.” - Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592)
- hammyhavoc 4y agoWith suicide bombers in mind, this seems an iffy quote.
- smegsicle 4y ago"i am euphoric- not from some phony religion, but by my own intelligence"
- nxmnxm99 4y agoThis thread in a nutshell
- ogogmad 4y agohttps://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-online-culture https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-o... "Woke" is suspiciously similar to another word that marked the end of its respective culture - "euphoric" as applied to New Atheists. Both words describe basically good things to be - woke people are aware, euphoric people are happy. Both were originally (supposedly) used in a non-ironic way, by true believers, to praise their respective movements. Both sounded so over the top that people started using them to make fun of believers. Both became so iconic that even now, five years later, if someone gets too annoying about atheism, you can just roll your eyes and say "Euphoric!" and it will be universally understood as a devastating retort that means you win the argument.
- yuyyy 4y agoI am Muslim (Shia), originally from Iran, and I am very sorry for this. I am even a little bit on the conservative side religiously speaking. This kind of behaviour is not related to us or our religion, no matter what the fundamentalists say. I hope they punish the attacker(s) in harshest possible way! And that should be a lesson for anyone who attacks defenceless people.
- bongoman37 4y ago
- choko 4y agoYou have no reason to be sorry; you didn't stab him. People aren't responsible for the actions of other people by virtue of sharing some traits.
- bogomipz 4y agoIt very much is related to Iran though. Why has no Grand Ayatolloah since ever rescinded the fatwa? Grand Ayatollahs can supersede their predecessors yet this has never been done. In fact it 1997 it was actually reaffirmed and celebrated by a member of the Assembly of Experts. See: https://www.rferl.org/a/1089601.html https://www.rferl.org/a/1089601.html
- exolymph 4y agoI'm Christian, so I'm unfortunately also familiar with the feeling of horror and shame when someone does something awful in the name of God. Bad feeling when someone from a group you belong to does harm and claims that you endorse it. I guess we can only pray for everyone involved. I hope Mr. Rushdie makes a full recovery! He is a very brave man.
- swat535 4y agoI am an Iranian Christian (Catholic) so for me it’s very distressing personally when these things happen as the majority of my family are Muslims. I also get upset when my fellow Christians exhibit similar behaviours in the name of Christ and Lord knows we have seen too many examples of these recently. I love our Abrahamic brothers despite our differences. I will be praying for Mr Salmon Rushdie as well.
- silicon2401 4y agogreat parallel to the Dave Chapelle attack. modern, extreme political corectness/wokeness is becoming as dogmatic as traditional religions, and equally accepting of violence to whoever questions their dogma. sad to see society regressing before our very eyes
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- xtiansimon 4y agoIf I recall, Rushdie interviewed Terry Gilliam (Monty Python) in the dvd extras for the documentary “Lost in La Mancha” (2002). That’s a treat. I hope he recovers. That said, this should remind us death threats are not to be taken..lightly.
- bublyboi 4y ago“FATWAAAAAA!!!” - Larry David
- lukeplato 4y agoHitoshi Igarashi, Rushdie's Japanese translator, was found by a cleaning lady, stabbed to death on 13 July 1991 on the college campus where he taught near Tokyo. Ten days prior to Igarashi's killing, Rushdie's Italian translator Ettore Capriolo was seriously injured by an attacker at his home in Milan by being stabbed multiple times on 3 July 1991.[18] William Nygaard, the Norwegian publisher of The Satanic Verses, was critically injured by being shot three times in the back by an assailant on October 11, 1993 in Oslo. Nygaard survived, but spent months in the hospital recovering. The book's Turkish translator Aziz Nesin was the intended target of a mob of arsonists who set fire to the Madimak Hotel after Friday prayers on 2 July 1993 in Sivas, Turkey, killing 37 people, mostly Alevi scholars, poets and musicians. Nesin escaped death when the fundamentalist mob failed to recognize him early in the attack. Known as the Sivas massacre, it is remembered by Alevi Turks who gather in Sivas annually and hold silent marches, commemorations and vigils for the slain.