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Better Windows 10 debloater: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overvi...

bogota 4y ago
I mean if we are nitpicking ubuntu is pretty bloated you should compile your own os from scratch.
- m_mueller 4y ago
  But only by shining sunlight onto your SSD!
  - KronisLV 4y ago
    I think this references this XKCD, in case anyone is curious: https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/
  - nousermane 4y ago
    I understand you're being sarcastic, but there are plenty of intermediate options between "use Ubuntu" and "chisel transistors from a rock". In particular, if you want to dab into comping your OS, Gentoo is a good start. Or, if you want to go a bit deeper right away, Linux From Scratch (LFS) project has you covered.
    - BrandoElFollito 4y ago
      Having used Gentoo and LFS, it is good to install it once to understand how Linux works but long term it is annoying. Arch is a better middle ground IMO.
      - filchermcurr 4y ago
        Hmm. I actually had the opposite experience. I've been using Gentoo for decades now and haven't found it to be problematic at all. What did you find annoying about it long-term? I tried Arch and found the divide between distribution packages and AUR to be strange. I assume distribution packages are trustworthy, but a lot of things aren't available there, so you have to use AUR. But my understanding is that AUR is all user contributed and unvetted, so it's essentially like the olden days of downloading an exe and hoping for the best. Unless you go to the effort of scrutinizing every script, I guess. Updates seem to be hit or miss too. I had some AUR packages that suddenly failed with circular dependency issues and later a full system update made the machine unbootable, which wasn't tons of fun. That's when I went back to Gentoo. :P To be fair, though, I stopped using Arch after about a couple of months. I could be remembering things wildly incorrectly when it comes to the package management stuff. Unbootable update, though, I remember vividly!
        BrandoElFollito 4y ago
        > What did you find annoying about it long-term? I used Gentoo around 2002 or earlier and it was everytime an adventure to emerge anything, mostly due to the time it was taking. A kernel rebuild was taking hours. I was not interested in fine-tuning the binaries so I was emerging with the default configuration, which makes it more or less equivalent to installing something from a repo. The immense advantage of Gentoo is that you had to install it from the very scratch and it gave you finally an understanding of what was going on, instead of just next next next on install screens. I had everyone from my team go though an installation just for that. > and found the divide between distribution packages and AUR to be strange Wasn't this the same thing with Gentoo, where there would be "official" sources, and then the others. With colliding names? (it may have been another distro, sorry if this is the case - my memory is not that good 20 years back). I know that it took me a while to understand that philosophy (but again, maybe it was not Gentoo) > To be fair, though, I stopped using Arch after about a couple of months. After having had used Debian/Ubuntu for years on my server, I got fed up with the upgrade cycle and moved to Arch a year or so ago. I did not have any problems and the documentation is top notch. I use my server in a very basic way: an Arch installation, then docker and borg and this is pretty much it. Everything I run is in docker containers (except for borg (backup) for more or less sane reasons - probably less than more)
      - javajosh 4y ago
        I've been considering Alpine for my laptop. Minimal=good.
        BrandoElFollito 4y ago
        Alpine is not a general use OS. It is intended for containers and while it might be possible to use it on a laptop you will probably have plenty of problems with its use of libraries.
        derekbaker783 4y ago
        Friggin MUSL
- james-redwood 4y ago
  Windows makes Ubuntu look like Puppy Linux
- Bancakes 4y ago
  Uboot + yocto
  - ale42 4y ago
    Thanks, I was thinking U-Boot was for embedded only... but I see that it has even a UEFI version!
  - sitzkrieg 4y ago
    too bloated, multiboot2 header and buildroot
- josefx 4y ago
  Getting rid of snap is already a good first step. I know, I know, snap is great, after all who doesn't want to fill up their primary disk with several full copies of chrome?
system2 4y ago
Good luck running any business software on it.
- fl0id 4y ago
  Runs perfectly fine.
- DarkmSparks 4y ago
  Do you mean Google luck or Microsoft Azure luck?
  - system2 4y ago
    Nothing cloud. Regular software like Office, Adobe stuff, accounting software, industrial related software, and many more.
    - headsoup 4y ago
      You use all of these?
      - bilekas 4y ago
        Regular software while doing "Business" !
      - system2 4y ago
        Yes, I have Office (excel heavily), adobe (rush, photoshop, premiere, audition), QuickBooks and Sage 50, some automation software for manufacturing. There are many more that wouldn't work on anything but windows. I am sure many people are the same as me because I see other computer users with their software stack very often.
        DarkmSparks 4y ago
        In that case you probably want a Mac. Its basically the same as ubuntu, but Apple paid the Microsoft taxes.
w-ll 4y ago
Serious question, is Ubuntu still including that Amazon spyware?
- nixcraft 4y ago
  No. That was removed a long time ago https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.443 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.443 Edit: Ubuntu version 18.04.xx (point release) or 20.04.xx and above does not contain the Amazon web app.
AnonCoward42 4y ago
Since Ubuntu tries to force snap onto (new) users, I do not recommend it for any new user. Sure, you can disable any of that and use flatpak instead, but it seems Canonical doesn't really want that.
- simion314 4y ago
  Did flatpack improved? Can you say get CLI apps in flatpack because it was not possible and I my quick search found no examples. Personally snap helped me in setting up some stuff on a server (pdftk) I am not a big fan though, could be done better IMO, flatpack seems to be same RedHat/GNOME crap, pushed by force and not be it's quality.
  - AnonCoward42 4y ago
    > Can you say get CLI apps in flatpack For new users the CLI stuff is usually less important. I don't categorically hate snap, but for new users it's bad long-term, too, since it is only controlled by Canonical and therefore a bad reliance. Nobody can add repositories for snap beside Canonical. If you are an avid CLI user I recommend using containers instead of snap. This way you can even keep the sandbox with dotnet for example. > flatpack seems to be same RedHat/GNOME crap, pushed by force and not be it's quality. However it is not controlled by RedHat (and also not solely developed by them). At least everyone can add repositories to flatpak. Which is probably my biggest gripe with snap.
    - simion314 4y ago
      About containers- I would prefer say when I go to a CLI project webpage to download 1 file, now it is a snap and it just works so I can test/evaluate the application. I am not intrested in a repository like flatpack just in going directly to the source and getting the file I need. Anyway IMO flatpack and snap are different things, you can't just tell people to replace one with the other. AppImage could have been better but is ahrd to improve if there is no big money behind to force push things.
      - 4y ago
philliphaydon 4y ago
Pass. I would rather use windows than ubuntu. But I’ll stick to fedora. That’s the new beez kneez
- timbit42 4y ago
  Ubuntu has become quite terrible, especially the Snaps, but Linux Mint is really nice.
  - rewgs 4y ago
    Ubuntu Server, once de-Snapped, is a really nice base to install a DE on. Just did that this week with awesome WM and I have zero complaints.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      The only problem I have with ubuntu server desnapped is let’s encrypt is such a pain now. They force the use of snaps and it’s a manual process to do it without snaps :(
alphachloride 4y ago
I tried this debloater, but it debloated my ability to play video games that I like. And debloated the luxury of not having to drop to the command line to fix many of my problems. Also debloated the ability to run some very convenient day to day software.
- Zhyl 4y ago
  When did you do this? Linux has gotten better over the last few years on almost all of those counts. https://ProtonDB.com https://ProtonDB.com https://areweanticheatyet.com https://areweanticheatyet.com
  - y42 4y ago
    That's what I'm hearing since 20 years.
    - Zhyl 4y ago
      Since the release of Proton in 2018 and the subsequent release of the Steam Deck, the difference is night and day. If your last experience was 20 years ago I would sincerely recommend looking into it again.
      - wruza 4y ago
        Difference in what exactly? I could give it a try (not gp but periodically interested), but not sure if my GSync display will work correctly. Last time I tried desktop linux, it couldn’t decide which video driver sucks more after another update, and that was on a pretty dumb graphics card. Thinking of something deeply proprietary like GSync I don’t even know if it’s worth trying. And I’m not a linux newbie, used it and freebsd since around 2000 on daily basis periodically. It is amazing, but just like Linus, “I still need desktop” that allows me to play my hardware. So when there is a >$100 graphics card I resort to windows + msys2 by default.
        Zhyl 4y ago
Biganon 4y ago
I'm a heavy Linux user, but please keep comments like this one on reddit. This is a waste of time and energy. No, you can't just convince your employer to suddenly use Ubuntu. That's not how the real world works.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
The most popular Linux distribution, aka Android, is full of bloatware that is very hard to uninstall. And, unlike with Windows, you can't install a debloater, debloaters are forbidden.

bogota 4y ago

I mean if we are nitpicking ubuntu is pretty bloated you should compile your own os from scratch.

m_mueller 4y ago
But only by shining sunlight onto your SSD!
- KronisLV 4y ago
  I think this references this XKCD, in case anyone is curious: https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/
- nousermane 4y ago
  I understand you're being sarcastic, but there are plenty of intermediate options between "use Ubuntu" and "chisel transistors from a rock". In particular, if you want to dab into comping your OS, Gentoo is a good start. Or, if you want to go a bit deeper right away, Linux From Scratch (LFS) project has you covered.
  - BrandoElFollito 4y ago
    Having used Gentoo and LFS, it is good to install it once to understand how Linux works but long term it is annoying. Arch is a better middle ground IMO.
    - filchermcurr 4y ago
      Hmm. I actually had the opposite experience. I've been using Gentoo for decades now and haven't found it to be problematic at all. What did you find annoying about it long-term? I tried Arch and found the divide between distribution packages and AUR to be strange. I assume distribution packages are trustworthy, but a lot of things aren't available there, so you have to use AUR. But my understanding is that AUR is all user contributed and unvetted, so it's essentially like the olden days of downloading an exe and hoping for the best. Unless you go to the effort of scrutinizing every script, I guess. Updates seem to be hit or miss too. I had some AUR packages that suddenly failed with circular dependency issues and later a full system update made the machine unbootable, which wasn't tons of fun. That's when I went back to Gentoo. :P To be fair, though, I stopped using Arch after about a couple of months. I could be remembering things wildly incorrectly when it comes to the package management stuff. Unbootable update, though, I remember vividly!
      - BrandoElFollito 4y ago
        > What did you find annoying about it long-term? I used Gentoo around 2002 or earlier and it was everytime an adventure to emerge anything, mostly due to the time it was taking. A kernel rebuild was taking hours. I was not interested in fine-tuning the binaries so I was emerging with the default configuration, which makes it more or less equivalent to installing something from a repo. The immense advantage of Gentoo is that you had to install it from the very scratch and it gave you finally an understanding of what was going on, instead of just next next next on install screens. I had everyone from my team go though an installation just for that. > and found the divide between distribution packages and AUR to be strange Wasn't this the same thing with Gentoo, where there would be "official" sources, and then the others. With colliding names? (it may have been another distro, sorry if this is the case - my memory is not that good 20 years back). I know that it took me a while to understand that philosophy (but again, maybe it was not Gentoo) > To be fair, though, I stopped using Arch after about a couple of months. After having had used Debian/Ubuntu for years on my server, I got fed up with the upgrade cycle and moved to Arch a year or so ago. I did not have any problems and the documentation is top notch. I use my server in a very basic way: an Arch installation, then docker and borg and this is pretty much it. Everything I run is in docker containers (except for borg (backup) for more or less sane reasons - probably less than more)
    - javajosh 4y ago
      I've been considering Alpine for my laptop. Minimal=good.
      - BrandoElFollito 4y ago
        Alpine is not a general use OS. It is intended for containers and while it might be possible to use it on a laptop you will probably have plenty of problems with its use of libraries.
        derekbaker783 4y ago
        Friggin MUSL
james-redwood 4y ago
Windows makes Ubuntu look like Puppy Linux
Bancakes 4y ago
Uboot + yocto
- ale42 4y ago
  Thanks, I was thinking U-Boot was for embedded only... but I see that it has even a UEFI version!
- sitzkrieg 4y ago
  too bloated, multiboot2 header and buildroot
josefx 4y ago
Getting rid of snap is already a good first step. I know, I know, snap is great, after all who doesn't want to fill up their primary disk with several full copies of chrome?

system2 4y ago

Good luck running any business software on it.

fl0id 4y ago
Runs perfectly fine.
DarkmSparks 4y ago
Do you mean Google luck or Microsoft Azure luck?
- system2 4y ago
  Nothing cloud. Regular software like Office, Adobe stuff, accounting software, industrial related software, and many more.
  - headsoup 4y ago
    You use all of these?
    - bilekas 4y ago
      Regular software while doing "Business" !
    - system2 4y ago
      Yes, I have Office (excel heavily), adobe (rush, photoshop, premiere, audition), QuickBooks and Sage 50, some automation software for manufacturing. There are many more that wouldn't work on anything but windows. I am sure many people are the same as me because I see other computer users with their software stack very often.
      - DarkmSparks 4y ago
        In that case you probably want a Mac. Its basically the same as ubuntu, but Apple paid the Microsoft taxes.

w-ll 4y ago

Serious question, is Ubuntu still including that Amazon spyware?

nixcraft 4y ago
No. That was removed a long time ago https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.443 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.443 Edit: Ubuntu version 18.04.xx (point release) or 20.04.xx and above does not contain the Amazon web app.

AnonCoward42 4y ago

Since Ubuntu tries to force snap onto (new) users, I do not recommend it for any new user. Sure, you can disable any of that and use flatpak instead, but it seems Canonical doesn't really want that.

simion314 4y ago
Did flatpack improved? Can you say get CLI apps in flatpack because it was not possible and I my quick search found no examples. Personally snap helped me in setting up some stuff on a server (pdftk) I am not a big fan though, could be done better IMO, flatpack seems to be same RedHat/GNOME crap, pushed by force and not be it's quality.
- AnonCoward42 4y ago
  > Can you say get CLI apps in flatpack For new users the CLI stuff is usually less important. I don't categorically hate snap, but for new users it's bad long-term, too, since it is only controlled by Canonical and therefore a bad reliance. Nobody can add repositories for snap beside Canonical. If you are an avid CLI user I recommend using containers instead of snap. This way you can even keep the sandbox with dotnet for example. > flatpack seems to be same RedHat/GNOME crap, pushed by force and not be it's quality. However it is not controlled by RedHat (and also not solely developed by them). At least everyone can add repositories to flatpak. Which is probably my biggest gripe with snap.
  - simion314 4y ago
    About containers- I would prefer say when I go to a CLI project webpage to download 1 file, now it is a snap and it just works so I can test/evaluate the application. I am not intrested in a repository like flatpack just in going directly to the source and getting the file I need. Anyway IMO flatpack and snap are different things, you can't just tell people to replace one with the other. AppImage could have been better but is ahrd to improve if there is no big money behind to force push things.
    - 4y ago

philliphaydon 4y ago

Pass. I would rather use windows than ubuntu. But I’ll stick to fedora. That’s the new beez kneez

timbit42 4y ago
Ubuntu has become quite terrible, especially the Snaps, but Linux Mint is really nice.
- rewgs 4y ago
  Ubuntu Server, once de-Snapped, is a really nice base to install a DE on. Just did that this week with awesome WM and I have zero complaints.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    The only problem I have with ubuntu server desnapped is let’s encrypt is such a pain now. They force the use of snaps and it’s a manual process to do it without snaps :(

alphachloride 4y ago

I tried this debloater, but it debloated my ability to play video games that I like. And debloated the luxury of not having to drop to the command line to fix many of my problems. Also debloated the ability to run some very convenient day to day software.

Zhyl 4y ago
When did you do this? Linux has gotten better over the last few years on almost all of those counts. https://ProtonDB.com https://ProtonDB.com https://areweanticheatyet.com https://areweanticheatyet.com
- y42 4y ago
  That's what I'm hearing since 20 years.
  - Zhyl 4y ago
    Since the release of Proton in 2018 and the subsequent release of the Steam Deck, the difference is night and day. If your last experience was 20 years ago I would sincerely recommend looking into it again.
    - wruza 4y ago
      Difference in what exactly? I could give it a try (not gp but periodically interested), but not sure if my GSync display will work correctly. Last time I tried desktop linux, it couldn’t decide which video driver sucks more after another update, and that was on a pretty dumb graphics card. Thinking of something deeply proprietary like GSync I don’t even know if it’s worth trying. And I’m not a linux newbie, used it and freebsd since around 2000 on daily basis periodically. It is amazing, but just like Linus, “I still need desktop” that allows me to play my hardware. So when there is a >$100 graphics card I resort to windows + msys2 by default.
      - Zhyl 4y ago

Biganon 4y ago

I'm a heavy Linux user, but please keep comments like this one on reddit. This is a waste of time and energy. No, you can't just convince your employer to suddenly use Ubuntu. That's not how the real world works.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago

The most popular Linux distribution, aka Android, is full of bloatware that is very hard to uninstall. And, unlike with Windows, you can't install a debloater, debloaters are forbidden.